ISIS burns man alive - so Obama talks about Christian atrocities?

[CitizenBBN]

I've sidestepped the questions of Obama's faith and ties to Islam, etc. during his time as President. By my nature I'm more interested in his economic and foreign policies, but his inability to use the word "Islamist" to describe groups that are clearly Islamist terrorists and proud of it, his unwillingness to even call the Taliban terrorists, and now this utterly over the top diversionary tactic to avoid his inability to stand up to radical Islam is just the last straw for me.

If this were a right winger Christian side stepping atrocities committed by other Christians he'd be roasted alive in the press, and rightly so. when other Muslim world leaders and pretty much every other leader in the world regardless of religion can call this "radical Islam" (or some version thereof) and Obama can't bring himself to say it once it's just flat embarrassing, and would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Personally I don't know if it's an inherent defense of Islam for him, though this last tangent into Christian violence from about 1,000 years ago sure makes you wonder, but if it's not that it's at least his utter inability to look anyone in the eye and stand up to them and accept not all people are just misunderstood. Some are just evil, greedy, tyrants.

Yes, Christianity was used to justify some great acts of violence and oppression in history. The point that is lost on him apparently is that the religion has evolved since that time, you know, since the introduction of gun powder, whereas this radical Islamist movement is straight out of the 8th Century and hasn't evolved one iota.

Yes, the Inquisition was an ugly period in history. But it's unlikely we can do much to change that part, so how about we do something to stop a modern day Inquisition that makes Torquemada look like Mother Theresa?

It's shocking how bad this President is, even judged by the epically low view I had of him when he was elected. It's also increasingly clear that my view of him as an American apologist who dislikes everything this nation was founded on and stands for, was an optimistic view of his ideology.

[dan_bgblue]

It will be really interesting to see how he supports Jordan's efforts to drive ISIS back to their caves.

[jazyd]

He is a Muslim and he is doing all he can to keep his ties intact. He doesn't agree with the acts of barbarians probably but he can't anger the religion he belongs to and he must put down Christians and Christianity in his subtle way to let his fellow Muslims he us still one of them

I firmly believe much of what he says and does is code words to certain Muslims.

He is not a achristians as he has at times claimed. I have read excerpts from his book and there were things he wrote that proves he is not a believer in Christianity and the death and resurrection of Jesus and what thst means to Born again Christians. He said he believes in the Big Bang theory and not what the Bible says. He also said he doesn't know what to tell his daughters what happens to them when they die, no heaven no hell.

And in Zn interview before the first election with I think ABC he was asked about his faith and his response was...My Muslim faith and when the interviewer evidently had a shocked look he corrected himself with his Christian faith. His first words were the truth, where he really is on his belief. Why the republicans never made it an issue us beyond me, Rush played it on his show

[Darrell KSR]

And in Zn interview before the first election with I think ABC he was asked about his faith and his response was...My Muslim faith and when the interviewer evidently had a shocked look he corrected himself with his Christian faith. His first words were the truth, where he really is on his belief. Why the republicans never made it an issue us beyond me, Rush played it on his show
Propaganda, Jazy. Don't be mislead by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. Just as bad as Keith Olbermann and his ilk.

Republicans didn't make it an issue because even a cursory look at the interview made it clear it wasn't a slip at all, but a reference to something else. And many times, Republicans are smart. (Many times not, as well.)

Basically, the interviewer (George Stephanapolous) was asking (then Senator) Obama about McCain and the rumor that Obama was a Muslim. All Obama was doing was saying John McCain had not specifically promulgated the false rumor that he (Obama) was a Muslim. Steph didn't understand the reference, so he tried to correct something that did not need correcting, and said your Christian faith. Obama then repeated that, being interrupted, and then moved on. There wasn't anything he said wrong, it's a really bad out of context error people usually make when they are trying to be deceitful, aka Rush Limbaugh.

Snopes has a good analysis debunking the urban legend.

Edit - here's the Snopes link, which even includes a reference to the conservative Washington Times acknowledging that was not the case at all.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp

[CitizenBBN]

In truth I'd be surprised if Obama had a faith, in his heart. His overwhelming ideology is that of "social justice", that controls about everything he does.

FWIW I don't really care if he has a faith or not. I think a good many politicians are less religious than they let on due to political need, and I don't think one is required to be a good President.

What this level of deflection has made me question is if he does indeed have one, bc the other choice is that he is the least confrontational person I've ever seen rise to a level of political power. It may very well be the latter, it's just stunning how unwilling he is to confront tyranny, apparently thinking that anyone can be reformed if you're just nice enough to them.

So let's just say the most naive person to rise to a level of power I've ever seen, including Carter, who could be stunningly naive.

[suncat05]

I am not sure that Obama has any religious affinity, but he does have a serious case of political aversion, in the sense that he just will not call terrorism exactly what it is. So basically, he's a spineless coward. That's right, boys & girls, I just called him the "C" word. That's exactly what he is. But there's another "C" that more aptly describes him, and that word is that in principal, in all that he believes, says, and does, in all reality, he's a damn COMMUNIST! That's the real "C" word that describes him. So, he's a Communist, and I believe that he is not a man of any religious faith at all, only whatever will serve him in the name of political expedience.
This guy has no earthly idea of how to be a leader. He's a great campaigner, knows how to sell ice to Eskimoes(which is not to cast dispersions on our fine Indian friends, as it is only a exaggerated example),but is just the antithesis of what an American President is supposed to be. This guy has shamed, demeaned, embarrassed, and belittled the Office he holds and the nation he is supposed to protect and defend according to his oath of office.
Everything he does goes against the Constitution as it was intended to be interpreted. He moves against the will of the American people with everything he does.
This guy is the most devisive person to ever hold this Office. He is a disgrace to our nation. And I am still of the belief that he was put in place as the "Manchurian Candidate". Laugh if you like, but that's what I see.
Some of you may disagree or even call me names and tell me I'm all wrong, but I know that I'm not.
He is a product of the subversions of our schools and the media and our political process by socialists & Communists. All you have to do is sit back, watch & listen. It's all there, if you'll just look at it with eyes wide open.

[suncat05]

What?? Nobody here wants to follow that for fear of the heavens opening up and lightning striking you dead? Or nobody's gotten around to reading the thread yet?

[cattails]

I am not sure that Obama has any religious affinity, but he does have a serious case of political aversion, in the sense that he just will not call terrorism exactly what it is. So basically, he's a spineless coward. That's right, boys & girls, I just called him the "C" word. That's exactly what he is. But there's another "C" that more aptly describes him, and that word is that in principal, in all that he believes, says, and does, in all reality, he's a damn COMMUNIST! That's the real "C" word that describes him. So, he's a Communist, and I believe that he is not a man of any religious faith at all, only whatever will serve him in the name of political expedience.
This guy has no earthly idea of how to be a leader. He's a great campaigner, knows how to sell ice to Eskimoes(which is not to cast dispersions on our fine Indian friends, as it is only a exaggerated example),but is just the antithesis of what an American President is supposed to be. This guy has shamed, demeaned, embarrassed, and belittled the Office he holds and the nation he is supposed to protect and defend according to his oath of office.
Everything he does goes against the Constitution as it was intended to be interpreted. He moves against the will of the American people with everything he does.
This guy is the most devisive person to ever hold this Office. He is a disgrace to our nation. And I am still of the belief that he was put in place as the "Manchurian Candidate". Laugh if you like, but that's what I see.
Some of you may disagree or even call me names and tell me I'm all wrong, but I know that I'm not.
He is a product of the subversions of our schools and the media and our political process by socialists & Communists. All you have to do is sit back, watch & listen. It's all there, if you'll just look at it with eyes wide open.

LOL, I read your post below and this is my first opening of this thread, this is not news to me, I thought this before he was elected and I haven't changed my view. I saw the facts before he was elected, what is mind blowing is that the American people voted him into office, McCain just made a bad choice of his running mate.

[CitizenBBN]

Today, after diverting talk of ISIS and discussing Jim Crow laws instead, which was bad but IIRc didn't involve slaughtering children and putting their corpses on pikes along the streets of the deep south, he suggested a strategy of "strategic patience."

What's that mean? let them run amok till they get bored or run out of infidels to kill? They're gaining ground, gaining recruits, and murdering people in ways that would turn Genghis Khan's stomach, and his answer is to wait? Study the problem?

Do as little as possible, the minimum demanded by political outcry, and try to sidestep doing anything. That's what it really means.

[Doc]

What?? Nobody here wants to follow that for fear of the heavens opening up and lightning striking you dead? Or nobody's gotten around to reading the thread yet?

Hey, you mention "the C word" and I'm staying away from it!

[CitizenBBN]

suncat -- I don't think he was placed as in the Manchurian Candidate, but do I think he's a radical leftist (call it Communist, socialist, whatever), who is deeply anti-American in his view and ideology? Yes, I do.

By Anti-American I think he has a vision of a "transformed" America, and sees himself as making a better nation, but his vision of America is based in a) the principle that our past is shameful and imperialist, and b) a die hard adherence to social justice that goes completely against the fundamental liberties this nation was founded to preserve.

So he's not the Manchurian Candidate by design, but there is no doubt we have elected a man who is diametrically opposed to what I believe America is about (and I'm right b/c I can read history), a man who is a true Leftist who would gladly undo the work of the Founders b/c he is convinced he is so much smarter and more enlightened.

[Doc]

I've sidestepped the questions of Obama's faith and ties to Islam, etc. during his time as President. By my nature I'm more interested in his economic and foreign policies, but his inability to use the word "Islamist" to describe groups that are clearly Islamist terrorists and proud of it, his unwillingness to even call the Taliban terrorists, and now this utterly over the top diversionary tactic to avoid his inability to stand up to radical Islam is just the last straw for me.

If this were a right winger Christian side stepping atrocities committed by other Christians he'd be roasted alive in the press, and rightly so. when other Muslim world leaders and pretty much every other leader in the world regardless of religion can call this "radical Islam" (or some version thereof) and Obama can't bring himself to say it once it's just flat embarrassing, and would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Personally I don't know if it's an inherent defense of Islam for him, though this last tangent into Christian violence from about 1,000 years ago sure makes you wonder, but if it's not that it's at least his utter inability to look anyone in the eye and stand up to them and accept not all people are just misunderstood. Some are just evil, greedy, tyrants.

Yes, Christianity was used to justify some great acts of violence and oppression in history. The point that is lost on him apparently is that the religion has evolved since that time, you know, since the introduction of gun powder, whereas this radical Islamist movement is straight out of the 8th Century and hasn't evolved one iota.

Yes, the Inquisition was an ugly period in history. But it's unlikely we can do much to change that part, so how about we do something to stop a modern day Inquisition that makes Torquemada look like Mother Theresa?

It's shocking how bad this President is, even judged by the epically low view I had of him when he was elected. It's also increasingly clear that my view of him as an American apologist who dislikes everything this nation was founded on and stands for, was an optimistic view of his ideology.

The other aspect that is lost on him is how far religious atrocity reaction has evolved now days when acts of barbarism occur in the name of Christianity. One only needs to look at WW2 when Hitler looked to wipe out an entire religion. Low and behold the world stood up against him, even the religion to which Hitler claimed (at times) to be representing. There are dictators all over the world who murder in the name of Christianity and the rest of the world stands up to them. In his speech the other day, Once once again involved the slavery issue to illustrate his point about this not being an Muslim issue. Its quite ironic that he has NO QUALMS about tainting this country on the slavery issue despite only a very small segment of the population ever actual owned slaves. I'd suggest the percentage of slave owners in the USA pre-civil war was less than the number of radical Islamist yet Obama has no problem broad brushing painting the horrors of this country based on that small segment of the population (1.4% of all Americans (http://newobserveronline.com/hidden-facts-about-slavery-in-america/))!

[jazyd]

Propaganda, Jazy. Don't be mislead by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. Just as bad as Keith Olbermann and his ilk.

Republicans didn't make it an issue because even a cursory look at the interview made it clear it wasn't a slip at all, but a reference to something else. And many times, Republicans are smart. (Many times not, as well.)

Basically, the interviewer (George Stephanapolous) was asking (then Senator) Obama about McCain and the rumor that Obama was a Muslim. All Obama was doing was saying John McCain had not specifically promulgated the false rumor that he (Obama) was a Muslim. Steph didn't understand the reference, so he tried to correct something that did not need correcting, and said your Christian faith. Obama then repeated that, being interrupted, and then moved on. There wasn't anything he said wrong, it's a really bad out of context error people usually make when they are trying to be deceitful, aka Rush Limbaugh.

Snopes has a good analysis debunking the urban legend.

Edit - here's the Snopes link, which even includes a reference to the conservative Washington Times acknowledging that was not the case at all.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp

Darrell, he is a Muslim, he is not a Christian

[jazyd]

I agree with suncat and citizen except sun, he isn't a great salesman.. He does a great job of reading papers given to him.

I don't think he is a coward, I think he doesn't care. And I think he is a Muslim. He may not practice the Muslim faith but he is a Muslim.

Citizen us correct that our Muslim president wants to totally transform this great country into what he envisions. He thinks a lot of himself and thinks he is extremely intelligent and has been told so. But when he has spoken off the cuff, I would take citizen every day of the week in a debate.

He thinks he is a great golfer and BB player, he is neither. His ego has been stroked so much that nothing can hold it.

IMO he has been bought by someone who hates America as much as he does. Soros possibly?

What amazes me is how the media goes along with him. So do they hate this country...that has given them so much money and power...as much as he does

For me Obama is no different than OBL. OBL put an orginization together that murdered people. Obama has sat back and allowed people to be slaughtered. They are the same.
, just about it differently

[jazyd]

Propaganda, Jazy. Don't be mislead by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk. Just as bad as Keith Olbermann and his ilk.

Republicans didn't make it an issue because even a cursory look at the interview made it clear it wasn't a slip at all, but a reference to something else. And many times, Republicans are smart. (Many times not, as well.)

Basically, the interviewer (George Stephanapolous) was asking (then Senator) Obama about McCain and the rumor that Obama was a Muslim. All Obama was doing was saying John McCain had not specifically promulgated the false rumor that he (Obama) was a Muslim. Steph didn't understand the reference, so he tried to correct something that did not need correcting, and said your Christian faith. Obama then repeated that, being interrupted, and then moved on. There wasn't anything he said wrong, it's a really bad out of context error people usually make when they are trying to be deceitful, aka Rush Limbaugh.

Snopes has a good analysis debunking the urban legend.

Edit - here's the Snopes link, which even includes a reference to the conservative Washington Times acknowledging that was not the case at all.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp

Darrell, you are pretty smart, go back and read what he said...he never, not once said he is a Christian, he repeated his Muslim faith. He never denied it. Snopes us the ones who tried to say what he was thinking. He is a Muslim and he admitted it

[Catonahottinroof]

I was of the opinion prior that he was a Muslim sympathizer, but after his statements at the prayer breakfast i am now of the opinion he is indeed a Muslim.

[suncat05]

I was of the opinion prior that he was a Muslim sympathizer, but after his statements at the prayer breakfast i am now of the opinion he is indeed a Muslim.

One of the basic tenets of Muslim jihad according to the Koran(or Quran, however the heck you spell it) is to do whatever needs to be done to deceive the enemy and defeat him. One of the most favored tactics is to make the enemy believe that the Muslim is actually his enemy's friend, to lie to him and to deceive him in whatever manner necessary to achieve ultimate victory so that the Muslim's enemy can either be killed or enslaved.
Any "religion" that advocates lying/deceiving to achieve domination over another human being is a religion that needs to be cleared from the face of the earth.
This religion is a plague on the face of the earth, and against ALL human beings everywhere. They'll stand up and tell you all day long and twice on Sunday that Islam is a religion of peace. That is a lie, and anyone who says that is a liar. As long as these people are allowed to exist, there will always be hate and war and destruction and slavery wherever they are.
If the were Muslims somewhere that said and did otherwise, who said and did things to make me believe that there are peaceful Muslims, then I would accept them and live in peace with them. But so far, I just do not see it.

[KeithKSR]

Obama has deep Muslim ties, it likely makes him hypersensitive to anything that portrays the religion in a bad light.

[bigsky]

this

[Darrell KSR]

Darrell, he is a Muslim, he is not a Christian

I don't know what he is. For goodness sake, I'm not suggesting he's a Christian.

I just know the argument that he admitted it in that interview is specious. Credibility in these areas is very important to me, and that's why you don't see the Republican party using that interview for anything, as it would destroy credibility.

[Darrell KSR]

Darrell, you are pretty smart, go back and read what he said...he never, not once said he is a Christian, he repeated his Muslim faith. He never denied it. Snopes us the ones who tried to say what he was thinking. He is a Muslim and he admitted it

Thanks, Jazy. I've read it and listened to it. It doesn't say what you want it to say because it isn't a statement Obama is making about himself (either way). That is why you don't see the Republican party, or anyone else really, claim that it is.

You're getting caught up trying to say he's not saying he's a Christian. You're misinterpreting the statement, which wasn't a comment Obama was making about himself. Putting the word, "Christian" there was incorrect. The correct word was Muslim. Again, he's referring to his opposition's comments about him, which seems to be the source of your confusion. It is not a self statement.

My insistence on getting this right is not a defense of Obama. It is a defense to credibility. By no means does reading it correctly mean he's Christian, Muslim, or a Gremlin.

[JasonNorin]

a lot of crazy things are happening nowadays that having a reset button will only be the solution..