Hillary: Businesses don't create jobs

[CitizenBBN]

I kid you not.

She went on to state that businesses and corporations are not the job creators of America. “Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs,” the former Secretary of State said.

There's the problem with the Left all in a nutshell. They have absolutely no understanding of economics and don't think business is anything more than a leech on some better model, presumably one of near full government control over everything.

Just like "you didn't build that", these people have nothing but disdain for business, for the self employed, the entrepreneur or really for free markets in general. They are the exact opposite of everything this nation was founded to pursue. We fought a revolution to throw off the yoke of distant government dictates and others deciding what is best for everyone, they want to tear up the whole thing and just install their own King George, duly elected by tens of millions who are on the government dole and diligently vote the right way despite it leading to their own generational poverty.

Everyone can see it, right? that this isn't what the country is supposed to be about? That we built the most economically successful (and poverty destroying) nation in history using the free market seems to totally allude them. Maybe they should travel some, or read a book.

[kingcat]

We need FDR back, and all the Hoovers gone.

No matter the party affiliation, I am tired of letting soft hands that have never done an honest days work decide my future. It is just plain wrong that the rich decide what is best for us...again, no matter the party affiliation (which is becoming nothing more than lables for a web of deceit perpetrated on the American people)

Old money should be as much a restriction for public office as the age limit imo...and I am serious as a heart attack.

Which actually prevents FDR from leading America as well as all but a select few former leaders

Free thinking no longer exists in this country on a political level. Big money defines our thoughts along one of two lines, each designed to perpetuate the other. A prerequisite to control of a "free" society

Notice the ball indicated by yellow markings..this is us.
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[suncat05]

Every Sunday when I go to Mass I pray that this evil witch does not get to live in our White House again. I just hope that He is listening, and that I am not alone with that prayer.

[bigsky]

Most people accept everything uncritically now. Or "they're all liars".

I don't like getting smeared by Hillary's examples of banal evil.

May your prayers come true--although not Liz Warren instead, please.

[suncat05]

kingcat- if you don't mind me asking, why did you refer to FDR and the Hoover's? Not following your meaning there...........

[kingcat]

FDR was to me, one of the greatest leaders, in the toughest of times, this country has ever had. Hoover one of the worst.

Other than that, just something someone I know says a lot.

[suncat05]

Okay. My Dad and my maternal grandfather both said that FDR was a very good war-time President, but overall he was a big government man. My Dad also believed that FDR was a closet socialist after watching his interactions with Stalin. Now, I realize it was war time and FDR needed the Soviets to stop the Nazis, I get that and agree it was the right move due to the circumstances, but everything I have ever read about FDR suggests he did not believe in anything but big and bigger government. And that maybe he had a "man-crush" on Stalin.
Thanks for responding, kingcat!

[Doc]

I too am not a FDR guy. Things like Social Security, Wagner Act, etc (the New Deals) which spawned the "big government".

As for Hilliary, just playing to her crowd. Hope these words come back to bite her in that big fat ass of hers.

[UKHistory]

Small and big businesses creates jobs. Or they can create jobs. Not always. Sometimes big corporations move the factories where they can save a few bucks, hurting American workers. That shrinks the middle class. Sometimes businesses pass laws and regulations that while however noble their stated purpose is that the end result destroys competition and also shrinks the middle class.

If businesses like the coal mines of old can pay people in company scrip and not real currency--some will. Business will enslave people if they could. Out and slavery in the south or boatloads of immigrants to work for nothing.

Rich democrats and republicans allowed South and Central Americans to illegally work in America. Regardless of politiical affiliation the rich fat cats encouraged the illegal immigrants to come and work for nothing. That 3rd world man power artifically kept wages for some jobs low and also worked to undermine the middle class in our nation.

There is give and take and balance. People with good ideas, luck and a good work ethic help to build this country into something special. You need balance. Big companies can kick the little guy; but at some point one of those little guys can rise and take over. If there is a fair playing field. Fair is different than

There are some really bright people that work for some corporations; and some companies like General Dynamics, Boeing, McDonald-Douglas employ some really good people. They create jobs. And taxpayer dollars indirectly pay their salary.

Grants--are almost all job programs. Yes they may do some good but there is a lot of tax payer job creation going on.

And that is good too. Kevlar, velcro, big bird all came into existence in part by government spending.

Government needs to exist to create a fair playing field that allows the person with the best ideas and who works hard to move up. Keeping the playing field level won't work. And while some businesses have not done a good job of paying their employees for a fair day's wage, others do.

But it is human nature that whoever has accumulated wealth and power want to keep it.

[ukblue]

I freely admit to being not nearly as eloquent as Chuck. However, stupid bitch.

[KeithKSR]

FDR, father of the American Progressive movement. Most of his programs did nothing to aid the economic recovery, it wasn't until the US industrial complex began cranking out war goods that the economy turned the corner.

[jazyd]

now blue, you know she didn't mean to say those things, she just slipped up thinking it was Obama's teleprompter she was looking at. She loves you coalminers and all you do :)



I freely admit to being not nearly as eloquent as Chuck. However, stupid bitch.

[CitizenBBN]

Small and big businesses creates jobs. Or they can create jobs. Not always. Sometimes big corporations move the factories where they can save a few bucks, hurting American workers. That shrinks the middle class. Sometimes businesses pass laws and regulations that while however noble their stated purpose is that the end result destroys competition and also shrinks the middle class.

If businesses like the coal mines of old can pay people in company scrip and not real currency--some will. Business will enslave people if they could. Out and slavery in the south or boatloads of immigrants to work for nothing.

Rich democrats and republicans allowed South and Central Americans to illegally work in America. Regardless of politiical affiliation the rich fat cats encouraged the illegal immigrants to come and work for nothing. That 3rd world man power artifically kept wages for some jobs low and also worked to undermine the middle class in our nation.

There is give and take and balance. People with good ideas, luck and a good work ethic help to build this country into something special. You need balance. Big companies can kick the little guy; but at some point one of those little guys can rise and take over. If there is a fair playing field. Fair is different than

There are some really bright people that work for some corporations; and some companies like General Dynamics, Boeing, McDonald-Douglas employ some really good people. They create jobs. And taxpayer dollars indirectly pay their salary.

Grants--are almost all job programs. Yes they may do some good but there is a lot of tax payer job creation going on.

And that is good too. Kevlar, velcro, big bird all came into existence in part by government spending.

Government needs to exist to create a fair playing field that allows the person with the best ideas and who works hard to move up. Keeping the playing field level won't work. And while some businesses have not done a good job of paying their employees for a fair day's wage, others do.

But it is human nature that whoever has accumulated wealth and power want to keep it.

Businesses aren't good b/c they are altruistic or dedicate to a higher purpose. They would exploit anyone and anything for a profit if given the chance.

What makes them good is that, when put in the framework of laissez-faire and a free market system is that they harness all that greed for the service of consumers.

The desire for power and wealth is universal, and it wont' change. The fundamental difference between the free market approach and government control is whether you accept that truism and try to build a system to channel it for the common good or whether you think you can just make it go away if you pass enough laws. In the end it really is that simple.

No true believer in free markets thinks businesses even want free markets. They don't. I sure don't. I would rather have a law that says I'm the only person allowed to have auctions in Lexington, and you have to sell with me. Or a law that you have to have lived in the city for at least 30 years to be an auctioneer, anything to give me an edge.

The trick is to have a government that doesn't have the power to do such things, and is only empowered to protect competition. That way I have to be competitive, and consumers benefit.

No business or businessman is in it to serve. We're in it to make money. The trick is to have a free market where we can make our decisions, run our businesses, and push ourselves to get more and more customers through fair competition, b/c that drives surplus to consumers every time.

But that greed, that drive, is what built the most economically successful nation on Earth. Sure Andrew Carnegie got rich, but history will note that the poor of the world were fighting to get IN to work in his mills and not fighting to get OUT to go to the government run aristocracies of the world. Our history is the history of that free enterprise system attracting the most driven and hard working and creative people who work hard b/c they have the freedom to pursue their dreams and make a better economic life for themselves.

And as long as we keep the playing field fair, it works brilliantly. What messes it up is when we decide to let government start tilting things. Stopping coal companies from having a non-free market advantage over labor is wrong, and so is regulating them out of business.

The only economic role for government is to maintain the free market, and every policy should be judged in that light. Don't quash unions as we did in the past, and don't rig the system for them either. Allow workers to vote without threat but allow businesses to hire people who want to work if they don't want a union. Let the supply and demand work it out.

But in the end it's businesses that create wealth, create jobs, and make it work. Government is nothing but a net drain, and the more of it we have the more it holds us down.

Hillary thinks if we just pass enough laws and hire enough government workers we can do somethign about those nasty companies. See sees them as the bad guys. The truth is they aren't the bad guys, or the good guys, they are the most powerful economic force ever devised, who can carry us all on their backs if we just get out of the way.

[ukblue]

Every single government hire is a drag on the economy. They produce nothing except generating more rules because small business owners are too stupid to run their companies.

[dan_bgblue]

There are only 2.8 million people on the federal payroll. The number of public employees at the state and local levels is unknown to me, but, when aggregated, likely exceeds the number at the federal level by a great deal. I suspect that between 5 and 10% of all Americans work for the taxpayer, and as ukblue said, create absolutely no wealth or expand the economy. Quite the contrary they do exactly the opposite of that.

We all know that laws and rule of government is necessary to a civilized way of life, and that takes public employees to make it happen. That does not mean that their roles are good for the economy