Manage Isis?

[jazyd]

That is what this spineless president said he wants to do. Shrink their finances and make them manageable. I never thought one person, with the help of ultra liberal media, Reed, Pelosi, a gutless congress and a lawbreaking AG could almost destroy the fabric of this country in less than 6 years. The blood of those 2 journalist and those murdered in Libya are on the heads of many

[dan_bgblue]

It is very difficult to manage wild animals. One small mistake and the manager becomes dinner. As long as they remain in the wild and bother no one, leave them alone. When they begin to prey on humans you shoot them

[Doc]

The Tea Party and Republicans, those he wants to gut and destroy...rid the earth of them. But ISIS, those he wants to "manage"

[CitizenBBN]

it'll work out about as well as when Chamberlain wanted to manage Hitler.

Obama is utterly paralyzed in his foreign policy. His entire philosophical ideal is underpinned by the idea that all the world's violence is caused by US imperialism. So, stop US imperialism and the world joins hands and moves forward.

But what happens when you remove the US presence and everywhere you do it the world falls into a level of violent barbarism that makes any post nuclear holocaust movie look like an improvement? Pull back from the military in Egypt, radicals take over. Pull back in Libya, radicals flourish and kill americans. Pull back in Syria, radicals fill the vacuum. Pull back in Iraq, nation falls into utter barbarism and genocide. Pull back in Afghanistan, same thing. Pull back against China, they become aggressive towards us and neighbors. Pull back in Eastern Europe, Russia begins reclaiming the old Soviet states.

What happens when your ideology has been disproved at its very core? When the thorn you thought was making the world a bad place turns out to be the keystone that was holding it all together?

Of course he has no strategy. Strategy flows from goals and goals from ideology and philosophy, and that has been laid waste by the vicious empirical evidence of thousands upon thousands of dead bodies. What can he do?

Order the military he explicitly is downsizing to pre WWII levels to suddenly ramp up and engage enemies when his whole goal was to insure they couldn't have that option under his watch or for years to come? Does he meet with the lunatic fringe that are slaughtering women and children and putting their bodies on pikes and convince them to play nice? Even he knows now that won't work.

So what he does is sit back and watch the world he's brought into existence through his pathetic "it's America's fault" idealism and try to pretend it's not really his fault somehow.

He's been briefed on the formation of ISIS for YEARS and done nothing but aid them by his policies. I imagine b/c he just dismissed that they were that bad, that they were really a threat, b/c after all the only source of such evil is our imperialism.

We have more than enough weapons and support to defeat ISIS. The Kurds will happily fight if we supply them, we can put enough boots on the ground still to surround these people and consign them to the annals of history, but that would entail exactly the kind of actions he sees as imperialism.

Of course it would entail some kind of ACTION at all, and that also seems to be quite distasteful to him, on any issue.

[CitizenBBN]

OTOH I bet most of us here have at one time or another tried to understand what it would look like to watch the rise of Hitler and fascism in Europe, and wondered why people and nations didn't act sooner but allowed their power grab, their police states, and eventually their wars and holocausts.

If you ever wondered what it must have looked and felt like to be alive in the 1930s as Hitler started the concentration camps and the Japanese militarists invaded Manchuria and the rape of Nanking, this is what it was like.

What we're seeing today is a repeat of that fascism. This time couched in religion instead of ethnicity, but the same appeal to the desperate, esp. young males, and the promise of greatness and the absolutism of doing any deed in the name of the cause being just. So clear, so inviting to the 14-25 year old male looking for purpose. They become the backbone of these movements, enough converted into remorseless monsters that the others follow out of fear and sheer force of will.

And, sadly, we're seeing the repeat of how the West dealt with it the last time, with Obama playing the part of Lord Chamberlain, hoping if he just does less to provoke anyone they'll calm down and start behaving.

Evil cannot be placated, or satiated, or bargained into going away. Evil can only be destroyed by good men willing to destroy that evil by physical force. Evil can be undermined with good economies and happy middle classes, but since we cannot pull that trick off in rural Iraq and Afghanistan any more than we could in depression era Germany or Tokyo, we probably need to go with just defeating it.

[blueboss]

I suggest numb nuts goes over and sits around a camp fire and sings kumbaya with those murderous bastards, and if he comes back with his head I'll at least give him a listen, until them all we have is the count down for his departure.


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[CitizenBBN]

I suggest numb nuts goes over and sits around a camp fire and sings kumbaya with those murderous bastards, and if he comes back with his head I'll at least give him a listen, until them all we have is the count down for his departure.


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It's really shocking. Americans being beheaded on TV and his answer is to "manage the problem."

Manage the problem? How about sending a couple of divisions over and airlifting everything the Kurds want outside of nukes, and crushing them like bugs.

The US hasn't tolerated this since Jefferson was President dealing with the Barbary pirates. he was pretty anti-war, and even he wasn't going to pay tribute or tolerate US citizens being attacked abroad, at a time when we had precious little to back up our position.

The US hasn't tolerated this kind of outrage literally since its birth. From the Barbary pirates to Reagan in Grenada, when Americans are threatened we go in guns blazing, we don't go golfing.

I dont' care if he was born here, another country or on Mars, this is the least "American" President in US history.

[blueboss]

It's really shocking. Americans being beheaded on TV and his answer is to "manage the problem."

Manage the problem? How about sending a couple of divisions over and airlifting everything the Kurds want outside of nukes, and crushing them like bugs.

The US hasn't tolerated this since Jefferson was President dealing with the Barbary pirates. he was pretty anti-war, and even he wasn't going to pay tribute or tolerate US citizens being attacked abroad, at a time when we had precious little to back up our position.

The US hasn't tolerated this kind of outrage literally since its birth. From the Barbary pirates to Reagan in Grenada, when Americans are threatened we go in guns blazing, we don't go golfing.

I dont' care if he was born here, another country or on Mars, this is the least "American" President in US history.

"Beheading"??? "I beheading to the golf course" "Ax me about it when I get home"

[dan_bgblue]

Chechen strongman Ramzan Kadyrov does not understand either.

Linkage (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/03/report-credible-information-isis-aqap-planning-11-anniversary-attack-abroad/)

In the video, which was posted and translated by Middle East Media Research Institute, a fighter refers to Kadyrov as a Putin puppet. Kadyrov responded on Instagram by saying "these bastards have no relation to Islam," and vowing if they try to threaten Russia or Chechnya "you will be destroyed

[PedroDaGr8]

Kadyrov is correct, these guys are not muslims, they are more or less Wahhabist. They take a bsatardized ultra-puritanical version of Islam and run with it. What many don't realize is that anyone who does not agree with them in an infidel. This means any non-wahhabist muslim, is an infidel. To understand it's concept, imagine if an ultra-orthodox Christian group sprung up taking EVERY single line in the bible at its most literal and cherry picked only the most dark parts. Bringing back things like stoning, twisted Jesus's words to apply only to followers of this sect (love thy neighbor only means fellow sect members, you can hate everyone else), brought back all of the old testment parts that are violent while ignoring everything else. That is basically what Wahhabism is in a nutshelll. To fight Wahhabism around the world, a use of force is essential but by itself is not enough. Support for groups like the Quilliam Foundation in the UK are essential. This group was formed by a former jihadist and fights extremism of any form.

Here is the Quilliam foundations FAQ on how they fight extremism:
http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/about/faqs/


I think you will like this video from this gentleman. His comments on Islam, Obama's lack of strategy and what he thinks needs to be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iypkDu1CFV8

To paraphrase what he says: basically to fight extremism at its core you have to fight the narrative that extremists create. You can't just fight the extremists, because that supports their narrative. You have to fight them but you also have to fight the narrative. It's an interesting and I think very honest means for attacking extremist of any sort (Islamic or otherwise). In the case of ISIS, that we have to not only popularize the Muslims that speak out (such as the UK Sunni Imams that have issued a fatwa on ISIS) but that we can't just label ISIS as crazy. That we need to attack the ideas that they use to hold themselves up. Expose their lies for what they are, challenge the narrative that it is the world against Islam, etc.

[Doc]

IMO:

This president believes the world problems should be solved by the world. OK, in utopia maybe. However the radicals of the world don't hate or want to destroy the little guys. ISIS isn't cutting off the heads of citizens of Belgium or Greece. Islamic Radicals are not targeting Sweden with nuclear bombs. Our fundemental support of the Jewish state of Isreal has put as on their "most hated list". That list does not include all the other countries of the world. Obama was elected president of THIS country and elected to protect the citizens of THIS country. DO YOUR ###### JOB.

[jazyd]

zYou are asking for the moon from this idiot in DC. There is only one way to treat mad dogs, eliminate them, kill them, destroy them and that is what needs to be done with this bunch. Kill them all, and if more pop up, killl them immediately.



IMO:

This president believes the world problems should be solved by the world. OK, in utopia maybe. However the radicals of the world don't hate or want to destroy the little guys. ISIS isn't cutting off the heads of citizens of Belgium or Greece. Islamic Radicals are not targeting Sweden with nuclear bombs. Our fundemental support of the Jewish state of Isreal has put as on their "most hated list". That list does not include all the other countries of the world. Obama was elected president of THIS country and elected to protect the citizens of THIS country. DO YOUR ###### JOB.

[dan_bgblue]

Excellent post Pedro!

I do want to point out that while attacking the message to pull their claws from the minds of the young and disillusioned, I think it is important to keep them bottled up and not allow their brand of lunacy to spread more than it already has. That means stopping them with force and with an international effort to cut off their funding. jmho

[UKStucat]

The only way to "manage ISIS" is to eliminate them from the face of the earth. This sect is worse than Al Qaeda.

[suncat05]

I told my wife when this started getting out of hand that these guys are the reincarnation of the Nazis, but much, much worse. And I also told her that Obama was doing exactly the same things that Chamberlain did, which is nothing more than to placate them. Except that Chamberlain wasn't intentionally doing harm to Great Britain, he was just doing what he thought best. Obama, OTOH, has done nothing but do everything he can possibly do to harm our nation in whatever manner possible. Want a clue? How the hell do you place active members of the Muslim Brotherhood in key postions in the DoD and the DoJ and tell us with a straight face that it's an honest endeavor? You can't, because it's a damn lie.
This situation on the southern border is another example. We're a SOVEREIGN NATION, and as such, we need to do what every other country on earth does, which is protect their borders. But we don't/won't/can/t do that because OUR GOVERNMENT as a whole is worthless and does not have OUR BEST INTERESTS AS AMERICANS at heart.
And when we do get attacked again, which I believe will be soon, the answer from Washington D.C. is going to be MORE GOVERNMENT CONTROL, though over what will be the question, because they damn sure will not be looking to PROTECT AMERICAN CITIZENS.

[jazyd]

Well said suncat. Everyone has their opinion but I am convinced we have a Muslim as president. In his first election he even said "my Muslim faith" and then quickly corrected himself. He is a worthless POS.

[suncat05]

jazy, I believe that ideologically, Obama is more of a socialist/Marxist/Communist than a Muslim. But he is clearly a Muslim sympathizer, as evidenced by some of the remarks he made on his initial "apologizing for America" tour that he embarked on in 2009.
He is clearly the worst President in my lifetime. And you've got to go a long, long way to be worse that LBJ or "Jimma" Carter, but Obama has clearly succeeded, without a doubt.
I cannot wait for this guy to be out of our White House. What he does after that I don't give a damn, as long as he leaves America & Americans alone. But being the "community organizer" that he always has been, I am damn sure he'll continue to be a thorn in our sides for many years to come.

[jazyd]

I agree suncat, I believe he us a Muslim in faith but the Marxist/communist in how he views the world. Those 2 are why he has tried to destroy this country in several ways and why he truly will not go after the ME problems or defend Israel