I'm AD; Cal Leaves Within 2 Yrs..My Top 3 Choices Are Pearl, Pitino, Donovan [Archive]

Darryl

06-10-2014, 07:36 AM

There MAY be more coaches that could handle this monster Cal has created but those 3 I am almost certain could (I KNOW Pitino would have no problems). In order I would call:

1. Pearl: I love his style of play, his recruiting would/could be near Calipari-ish, he can be very charming and loves/respects BBN. Yes, he has "sinned" in the past. So be it.

2. Pitino: I think he has 6 top level seasons left in him and he is one of the 3 best coaches currently. I know he is a traitor but this is a business. UL fans still think he is a UK coach and so does he. The program would not step back at all, IMO.

3. Donovan: unsure if he would move to another University. Seems to have 1.5 eyes on the NBA. The job he has done at Florida is a top 5 building a program resume ever.

Not a Sean Miller fan. Not a Brad Stevens fan (unsure he could recruit at the level we love). A younger coach would be over-whelmed.

By the way, if Cal was thinking of going to the NBA I would tell him Pitino would probably be taking his place in THE CHAIR at UK. Bet he would stay just to spite Rick.

Darryl

UKHistory

06-10-2014, 07:53 AM

I am not confident in Pearl's ability. Big differences in Cal vs Pearl in terms of the man's character and integrity. We would notice that and recruits would notice that.

As for Brad Stevens is it him or just a special group of Butler players? I think it is him. I like Stevens and think he would be the best investment going forward.

Rick Pitino? Wow. I first thought you were going to debate the merits of junior--who I don't feel confident enough in to support.

Donovan, who was my choice in 1997, has burned those bridges in no small part out of his loyalty to Pitino. Billy has the resume and would do well at UK. I think that ship has sailed.

The best guy should Cal leaves in the next few years is Brad Stevens. I like his demeanor. I do believe he can build good teams and recruit elite players.

But let's all be honest. Cal has recruited at a level and pace that is unheard of in the game's history. No one is going to come close to this type of annual recruiting haul. Comparing anyone to Cal's performance in getting players will leave a person disappointed.

Bakert

06-10-2014, 08:02 AM

Sorry, you are 0-for-3. And a big time 0-for-3 IMHO. :) I'm not sure Pearl could begin to handle the pressure that being at UK would be. In fact, I think it's possible that with his personality we could some cracking occur at some point if he were at UK.

Pitino is too old. He somehow (thank you, John Calipari) rallied himself for this one last great run but he is done. Whether it is there or here, he is done.

Donovan is a very good coach and is young enough to come in and give us a number of good years. Regardless of what he's done at UF (and at times it has been outstanding) UK is a definite step up. I wouldn't like it, but could tolerate it because of the three you mention he is the only one with even a chance of winning a title.

Whether Brad Stevens could recruit at a level we might want or not, I do believe he would be able to win and that is all that matters. If you do it with guys in the top 10 or in the bottom 10 of the top 100, does it matter? But I do believe he would be able to recruit at a high level, particularly with having been in the NBA. But there is no way he is going to leave Boston until he gives that a fair shot.

What about someone like Greg Marshall who has proven he can win anywhere he has been? If he can recruit any talent to Wichita St surely he could recruit guys to UK.

But the good news is this - it's all hypothetical. Like it or not, we are stuck with this Calipari guy for at least 5 years or so!! :)

suncat05

06-10-2014, 08:16 AM

Well, whoever we get after Cal leaves, let's hope that Mike Pratt will still be actively engaged in the selection effort. I still have doubts about Mitch doing it by himself again, and definitely do not want him going 'rogue' like he did with Billy Clyde. JMHO.

bigsky

06-10-2014, 08:17 AM

Stevens has that NBA cred now.

bigsky

06-10-2014, 08:18 AM

dtalbersjr

06-10-2014, 08:21 AM

If Rick Pitino was ever hired by UK in ANY capacity, UK wouldn't get another dime from me until he and everyone associated with his hiring was gone. The man is a snake and I don't want him anywhere near my program.

UKHistory

06-10-2014, 08:29 AM

He is also a good judge of talent and has commanded loyalty of his players. Stevens has not been one to make big speeches or be flamboyant. He is a personable basektball coach--that while friendly comes across as a no non-sense kind of guy.

Stevens has that NBA cred now.

suncat05

06-10-2014, 08:36 AM

Clyde is available

And it wouldn't be long before the rioting in Lexington started making it look like Beirut.

Philly Cat

06-10-2014, 08:45 AM

I can't imagine we would be able to get Stevens. He is going to have great success in Boston, and I think he'll stay in the NBA for a long time.

Other college coaches? Shaka Smart, maybe, though I admit his star may be falling. I like his intensity, though.

If we were to keep it "in the family," I'd be curious to see how Antigua does at USF over the next few years. He is a great recruiter, and he would be a seamless transition from the Calipari era. For that matter, maybe Robic could even be a stop-gap pick (a la Bill Guthridge at UNC) until the right long-term guy came along.

Dokker

06-10-2014, 08:46 AM

I don't think anyone that wants Brad Stevens is familiar enough with his style of play. People were having meltdowns over Tubby's slow ball, and Stevens plays at an even slower pace than that. Be prepared for a bunch of whining when we're consistently scoring in the 50's and low 60's.

BarristerCat

06-10-2014, 08:53 AM

Bruce Pearl is a fiasco waiting to happen. Even if the fiasco never happens, if the person doing the hiring knows what he is doing, UK can and should get a great coach without taking that risk. UK is not Auburn or Tennessee. If I were the UK President and I opened the AD's desk drawer and saw Pearl at or near the top of his short list, I would fire the AD on the spot. Selling the program short that way got us Billy Clyde.

Pitino? I really can't believe that anyone would suggest hiring a washed up philandering rapist as the coach of the greatest program in college basketball.

Donovan is the only reasonable suggestion of the three, but he has his own warts. For one, he can't seem to beat a washed up philandering rapist. He probably makes my top 5, but not my top 3.

backagain

06-10-2014, 09:09 AM

Sean Miller will be the next coach at UK.

Later...

ShoesSwayedBlue

06-10-2014, 09:22 AM

Sean Miller will be the next coach at UK.

Later...

That's my pick. Although his actual coaching has left me unmoved at times. But he can recruit to the mind baking desert. So he can certainly recruit even better to UK. And while I love Xs and Os, it's always more about the Jimmies and Joes.

Padukacat

06-10-2014, 09:25 AM

Man Darryl tell me you just snorted bath salts before you made that list and I'll forgive you! Ha. I think the picture will be clearer in a few years on who the best choice will be and I bet cal recruits him too.

CitizenBBN

06-10-2014, 09:28 AM

Darryl either you or I are very very wrong about Pearl.

I'm not sure where you get his recruiting is so awesome. He got a few 5* guys at UT (most with local ties), but mostly not, and he has a cheesy style that I don't see translating to UK at all. No one since Wooden and Gilbert has recruited like Cal, Pearl won't even be in the same hemisphere nor is it reasonable to expect any coach to do so. What's his pro record, why would the next crop of OAD guys flock to him? Does he have a Rose or Evans to seed his startup?

THat's just not going to be repeated no matter who we hire.

As for Rick, I know you put little value on the non-win character and behavior of the coach, and that's a legitimate view though I think a short term one, but seriously? How about the value of not having the BBN tear itself apart in a massive civil war? Why not go after Knight so we can really have a show. lol

Donovan is possible, but I generally want a coach who is hungry, and Donovan likely isn't very hungry.

Terry Blue

06-10-2014, 09:30 AM

TRUCKERCATFAN

06-10-2014, 09:31 AM

Darryl

06-10-2014, 09:36 AM

Interesting, I see very few alternatives to my list.

1. Brad Stevens: I like his cool hand Luke style but his teams make Tubby Smith's teams look like Loyola Mary Mount under Westhead.

2. Sean Miller is recruiting great because of that Oakland Soldiers AAU pipe line. He is Donovan's age and IIRC has 2 Elite 8s on his resume.

3. I like WSU's Marshall but rumor has it he bleeds UNC blue (lifetime fan)

4. Bill Self is terrific but if he goes anywhere it will be the Thunder or Spurs, IMO.

I think Cal stays till he is 62-63 so by then the picture will be much clearer.

Darryl

Darryl

06-10-2014, 09:38 AM

1. I like Pearl and think he could do a great job. Plus I think he would take pride in annoying the hell out of UL.

2. Not no but HELL NO! Can't stand that man. Wish his name was removed from the rafters.

3.Donavan would be ok but the Pitino connection just reeks to me.

Gregg Marshall would be the guy I would want the most followed by Stevens. Another guy I would like and this might shock you guys is Fred Hoiberg. His work at Iowa St has been great and his teams are fun to watch.

Hoiberg would be interesting. He does pride himself on taking players many consider "head cases" so that might bite him in the butt somewhere down the line. If he came to UK he would on the NBA short list every season.

Darryl

anderwt

06-10-2014, 09:38 AM

MickintheHam

06-10-2014, 09:48 AM

I believe Archie Miller would be on my list. And if I wanted someone older it would be Gregg Marshall. Don't need to be turned down by Donovan again. Don't want either Pitino. We have to have some sense of decency. Pearl is a showman and a recruiter, not a basketball coach. We don't need a bball coach who tries to draw all the attention to himself.

ukpumacat

06-10-2014, 09:54 AM

I think Pearl's next few years at Auburn will tell us a lot about him. I wouldn't be for his hire, but I don't think you are crazy for suggesting it either.
My 3 calls would be:

1. Donovan

2. Sean Miller

3. Thad Matta

Honorable Mention: Hoiberg (He would make my Top 3, but he is at his alma mater, and I think his next stop is the NBA).

catmanjack

06-10-2014, 09:57 AM

That's why we are posting on an opinion board, myself would never touch any of the three.

Would be all over Stevens if Cal leaves in the next couple years.

uk-4-the-win

06-10-2014, 10:00 AM

Sean Miller, Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens. Obviously Donovan has to be first choice.

Some here will want us to find another Cal but unfortunately only 2 guys come close, Pearl and Pastner and Pearl's past is a serious no no.. UK under Mitch would NEVER let that happen .. just remember that it took a letter from the NCAA to say Cal was clean for Mitch to give the ok to hire him.. and the NCAA isn't going to give the ok on Pearl after being caught red handed and lying to boot. So it would be Pastner, who has the showmanship and recruiting that are on par with Cal.. the coaching on the other hand is not so maybe just get Pastner to hire an ex head coach to take over the strategies , x's and 0's.

I know some will want to torture me for saying this but I'd look at Richard Pitino as well. The kid is going to be a hall of fame coach like his dad. why let UL get him ?

dtalbersjr

06-10-2014, 10:03 AM

Miller is my first choice and there is really no one else who even remotely excites me. Maybe Thad Matta, but I don't think he'd leave OSU unless we overpaid for him, and I don't want to do that.

I'd be happy with Hoiberg, but I think our best chance there is after he fails in the NBA. He's so beloved in Ames that I don't think he's leaving for another college job. I do think he'll jump to the NBA soon though. Maybe he'd be the replacement to Cal's replacement?

Bakert

06-10-2014, 10:04 AM

Interesting, I see very few alternatives to my list.

And that's good because like you, I believe we don't need a list for 7 years or so. Who knows who may emerge during that time frame?

As for Marshall, he may bleed the wrong color blue, but my guess is that if offered the best job in college basketball (college sports?) he would take it. Hell, I hate UT but if they offered me a job with the right things with it, I'd be able to live looking at that gawd-awful orange! :)

Darryl

06-10-2014, 10:10 AM

Good discussion overall. As one can see, we "ain't" going to be too happy when Cal leaves. In 1997 I just KNEW Cal or Donovan would be terrific following Pitino. In 2007 I thought Cal was the only choice. On my birthday in 2009 (March 31st) I got my belated gift. It has been one Hell of a ride.

When/if the 2 and through is passed I think Cal stays till he retires. He will flirt with the NBA several more times, but he is on a historic journey here at UK. It will take an offer that is almost impossible to pass on and I just can't see that happening.

Darryl

Carolinawildcats

06-10-2014, 10:43 AM

I'm all in with Brad Stevens. IMO, he goes to Duke if K leaves first or UK of Cal leaves first.

Again, just my opinion.

Peace

Richard (CW)

Darryl

06-10-2014, 10:50 AM

OP, you are kidding aren't you? Pearl would never be hired by UK and shouldn't be based on his past. Maybe the younger Pitino should be considered but Rick is headed to retirement soon and wouldn't leave UL anyway. Donavan could have had the job at least twice before, he's entrenched in Fla

Terry, if NCAA violations/issues precluded hiring a coach at UK we would not have gotten Pitino, Cal, or Rich Brooks.

The NCAA should be used to being around liars; their office runneth over with them.

Darryl

TRUCKERCATFAN

06-10-2014, 10:52 AM

I'm all in with Brad Stevens. IMO, he goes to Duke if K leaves first or UK of Cal leaves first.

Again, just my opinion.

Peace

Richard (CW)

I think that might depend on how well Wojo does at Marquette. If he is really good there, the Dukies will be slobbering over him to replace Coach Ratface.

bigsky

06-10-2014, 10:54 AM

Sean Miller will be the next coach at UK. Later... I think you are right--I've heard that from other sources

UKHistory

06-10-2014, 10:56 AM

Darryl,

I do agree there are very few legitimate replacements for Cal which shows just how his shoes are.

Fair point about Stevens and in terms of showmanship he might be the anti-Cal. Walk softly. Comes across very humble. Just a quiet teacher. I have no idea if that is accurate but it is the image he portrays. That might not work here regardless of the win/loss record.

I truly value your basketball opinon so when you speak so highly of Pearl I have to listen. I don't agree but I am always willing to listen.

Not sure if I would ever want a Carolina guy on my staff so Marshall I would keep at a distance.

Pitino would bring back a civil war amongst the fans. And he would truly be a stop gap measure.

I think Miller has to be a little younger than Donovan. Donovan graduated in 87 while Miller and Coach Antigua were on that Pitt team that pasted us in November of 91. But Donovan is the superior coach.

Should Cal stay until the end of his contract the list of desirable coaches will have changed dramatically in that period of time. Guys who are not ready today that we don't about could become front runners. Today's up and comers could be selling insurance by the time Cal is ready to leave the UK bench.

All is conjecture and good food for thought. Keep the debate going.

Interesting, I see very few alternatives to my list.

1. Brad Stevens: I like his cool hand Luke style but his teams make Tubby Smith's teams look like Loyola Mary Mount under Westhead.

2. Sean Miller is recruiting great because of that Oakland Soldiers AAU pipe line. He is Donovan's age and IIRC has 2 Elite 8s on his resume.

3. I like WSU's Marshall but rumor has it he bleeds UNC blue (lifetime fan)

4. Bill Self is terrific but if he goes anywhere it will be the Thunder or Spurs, IMO.

I think Cal stays till he is 62-63 so by then the picture will be much clearer.

Darryl

UKHistory

06-10-2014, 11:01 AM

I had not thought about Cal back then but wanted Donovan badly. I was very disappointed that we went with Tubby as I felt Billy was an investment in the future.

But hindsight being 50/50 how do you think either man would have done in 1997 at UK? Were they prepared for it? Would they have wilted? I wonder especially about Donovan as gambling issues with Teddy Dupay and the Roy Williams accusations would have received far more scrutiny at UK than Florida.

Certainly if either had been here recruiting and with it tournament success could have been better. Although Billy lost early some years.

What do you think?

Good discussion overall. As one can see, we "ain't" going to be too happy when Cal leaves. In 1997 I just KNEW Cal or Donovan would be terrific following Pitino. In 2007 I thought Cal was the only choice. On my birthday in 2009 (March 31st) I got my belated gift. It has been one Hell of a ride.

When/if the 2 and through is passed I think Cal stays till he retires. He will flirt with the NBA several more times, but he is on a historic journey here at UK. It will take an offer that is almost impossible to pass on and I just can't see that happening.

Darryl

CGWildcat

06-10-2014, 11:02 AM

Love ya Darryl but I'm glad you aren't the AD :)

TRUCKERCATFAN

06-10-2014, 11:21 AM

Love ya Darryl but I'm glad you aren't the AD :)

I think Darryl would be a great improvement over Mitch. 😺

Darrell KSR

06-10-2014, 11:21 AM

Good discussion overall. As one can see, we "ain't" going to be too happy when Cal leaves.

Darryl

That's the common ground with everyone, I believe.

For me, I can't think of a single coach I'd want. I guess that's a major issue. You HAVE to have a short list constantly, and my short list today is just devoid of legitimate candidates.

The coaches that have done the best at Kentucky have been "bigger than life" coaches. Master showmen. People who thrive in the limelight, from Adolph "anything for a story" Rupp, to Ricky P. to John C.

I have to believe that's where Darryl's support of Bruce Pearl originates. He touches on that area, doesn't he?

I really don't like a single candidate. I don't see anybody stepping into the shoes of John Calipari and performing at his level. There's a crapshoot element with anyone else.

Because of that, i go with Brad Stevens, who I think has the best mind and is the most rock solid person. On his "down" years, I think you'd see a quality product, and he has the same ceiling anyone else has. His floor is just higher than others.

By the way, I have no idea if he'd be interested. But right now, he's my only choice. And I'm not enamored with the choice. No offense intended to Brad Stevens--I'm selecting him over every other coach in the game, so that speaks volumes.

Darrell KSR

06-10-2014, 11:28 AM

Darryl,

I truly value your basketball opinon so when you speak so highly of Pearl I have to listen. I don't agree but I am always willing to listen.

I have softened my stance on Bruce Pearl precisely for this reason.

I admit that I questioned whether John Calipari would be able to recruit without the NCAA-sanctioned/approved Fed Ex Supplements available to Memphis players. Darryl (and Bigsky, and a few others) were consistent with their position that he would, and would do well. They were right. Maybe Darryl's right here, too. While I don't agree, I have to listen. I'd just add it to the long, and heaping pile of things I've been wrong before on.

kingcat

06-10-2014, 11:39 AM

Will be someone on staff or formerly on staff imo.

No one with a clear cut and long term future in coaching at the division one level is going to come in here and try to follow Cal.

VirginiaCat

06-10-2014, 12:05 PM

1. Miller
2. Chakka
3. Someone will pop up....

blueboss

06-10-2014, 12:09 PM

Which Pitino? Not that it matters. Daddy P even if he wanted to come back he's not stupid enough to come back and get swamped in Cal's wake, plus he's to old for us to have to wait 6-7 seasons before he gets even a moderately good team together.

Baby P won't be able to be pried away from UL once Daddy P leaves him the keys, plus Baby P is still way unproven.

I'm all for let's see who's out there in 5-7 seasons, but if it had to happen tomorrow Miller, or Stevens, and that's only because Rick Barnes would have already removed his name for consideration for the job.

I think also the bigger question is "who has a pair big enough to accept the position in the wake of Cal"???

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badrose

06-10-2014, 12:11 PM

Just wondering why none of Cal's assistants since he's been at UK have been mentioned.... Surely they've learned a thing or two.

uklandrn

06-10-2014, 01:23 PM

Stevens would be at the top of my list. Great basketball mind. Quality person. Can handle the pressure of the job. Would be a good fit.
Marshall would be 2nd on my list. The guy is a proven winner. Again - great basketball mind. What he has accomplished at WSU is amazing. Imagine what he could do with the resources of UK behind him?

I do not want Donovan. He turned us down twice. He wouldn't even be on my list. Pearl is a joke. All I can imagine is the laughing stock our program would become with him at the helm. It is one thing to go shirtless to women's basketball games at UT - painting yourself orange and acting like a buffoon. It is totally another when you are the head guy at UK. That idiotic behavior would put us on Sport's Center all right - but not for any reason we would want.
Smart is good young coach - but I want him to prove himself a bit more before giving him the keys to the kingdom. Sean Miller does not excite me as much as the rest of you guys. I am actually more sold on his baby brother. Archie seems to have more of an upside to me.

All in all I will get down on my knees and pray Cal stays for the next 7 years and the problem of finding a new coach works itself out in the meantime - because right now I am not too thrilled at any of the prospects.

catmanjack

06-10-2014, 01:30 PM

Not sure why the love for Miller, he is handed the top players in the West and has yet to reach a final four where as Stevens took a bunch of hoosiers to two straight
final fours which shows he can coach.

Give me Stevens all day.

UKFlounder

06-10-2014, 01:35 PM

Do we want a first-time coach to take this job? His only UK assistant to take a head coaching job is Antiqua and he has yet to coach a game. Who knows what kind of coach he will be like when Cal leaves, but he will still likely be very new and unproven.

it was bad enough to have Reggie Hanson try to get on the job training as an assisstant; I can't imagine we would want the main man going through something similar.

Just wondering why none of Cal's assistants since he's been at UK have been mentioned.... Surely they've learned a thing or two.

UKFlounder

06-10-2014, 01:37 PM

Miller got to OT in the Elite 8 against the same Wisconsin team that UK barely beat at the end; it's not like he has never gotten out of the first weekend or not had any success.

Stevens is another good name, but what if he has success with Boston & decides to stay there?

Not sure why the love for Miller, he is handed the top players in the West and has yet to reach a final four where as Stevens took a bunch of hoosiers to two straight
final fours which shows he can coach.

Give me Stevens all day.

CitizenBBN

06-10-2014, 01:57 PM

I have to believe that's where Darryl's support of Bruce Pearl originates. He touches on that area, doesn't he?

The difference between a VP of Marketing and a used car salesmen. They're both salesmen, but only in the broadest sense. A marketer sculpts a brand image, orchestrates a message. Car salesmen set up dunk tanks at frat parties.

Running a corner grocery doesn't mean you can run Wal Mart, even though they sell the same things. Pearl is Hal Mumme, exciting style, not nearly enough substance or maturity to operate the corporate environment that is UK athletics

cattails

06-10-2014, 02:02 PM

Don't be shocked if Kenny Payne is not head coach in waiting, just sayin.

CitizenBBN

06-10-2014, 02:08 PM

As for who to hire, the truth is no one will look good now or 5 years from now (with rare exceptions). Rick didn't look like the perfect, "going to have a Golden Era and win the sEC in 2 years" hire. People liked the Cal hire, it wasn't obvious he'd do this well. Likewise the Sutton hire looked good, Final Four coach, fell apart fast.

As we've seen no coach will look as good at Zona or whereever as they will at UK, and the job is so much more here it's a lot of guesswork who will embrace it and who won't.

I agree with darrell that it's about having a larger than life guy, someone wiht the persona to fill that big stage, but it has to be the right persona. The job comes iwth a lot of responsibility and power.

catmanjack

06-10-2014, 02:49 PM

Is that the kind of success UK fans would be happy with? He has top shelf talent every year.

Miller got to OT in the Elite 8 against the same Wisconsin team that UK barely beat at the end; it's not like he has never gotten out of the first weekend or not had any success.

Stevens is another good name, but what if he has success with Boston & decides to stay there?

suncat05

06-10-2014, 02:54 PM

Well, we could always ask Roy...........

KSRBEvans

06-10-2014, 03:19 PM

GhettoBird

06-10-2014, 03:46 PM

Don't be shocked if Kenny Payne is not head coach in waiting, just sayin.

Interesting thought. I will say that when the time comes I believe Cal will be a big part of the process and whoever is hired.

MickintheHam

06-10-2014, 03:52 PM

Just wondering why none of Cal's assistants since he's been at UK have been mentioned.... Surely they've learned a thing or two.

In that regard I wouldn't overlook Antigua or possibly Kenny P. Orlando may have made a strong move taking an HC job. He could be ready when needed.

millsforthree

06-10-2014, 03:56 PM

I know he has said "no" twice, but I would always start with Donovan. He's too good of a coach to ignore. I would also hope that Antigua gets a look if he has a decent resume at USF...Tubbs had taken UGA to a sweet sixteen. If Antigua can turn USF into a constant NCAA team, then he would deserve more than just a look, because we know he can recruit. I am on the wait and see with KP, another that can recruit---done it at Oregon and UK. I think he needs to go somewhere for a couple of seasons and show that he can coach as well. Neither Cal nor Rick have a ton of great coaches on their tree. Another name I would like to see get a look is Vogel from the Pacers.

UKFlounder

06-10-2014, 03:56 PM

See post # 41

Having read both pages of this thread, 1 thought comes to mind:

This thread has been open for almost 8 hours, and no one has made the obligatory Rick Barnes joke yet.

C'mon folks. We're better than that.

cattails

06-10-2014, 04:07 PM

Interesting thought. I will say that when the time comes I believe Cal will be a big part of the process and whoever is hired.

If you think about it, Kenny could be ready to just keep the ship sailing in the same direction, not change a thing. And let's also remember he just got promoted to associate head coach and he is the right age as he has several years left. I could see Cal grooming him to step right in. And yes I believe you are right in that Cal will have a lot to do the process IMO.

cattails

06-10-2014, 04:10 PM

In that regard I wouldn't overlook Antigua or possibly Kenny P. Orlando may have made a strong move taking an HC job. He could be ready when needed.

Mick a lot of it will depend on what and how Antigua runs his own program. This system Cal has going is working and I see no reason for it to stop.

dan_bgblue

06-10-2014, 05:50 PM

Darryl, your list seems to point to you having an affinity for liars, and in 2 of the 3 cases, slime balls for coaches. I am surprised.

Darryl

06-10-2014, 05:59 PM

Darryl, your list seems to point to you having an affinity for liars, and in 2 of the 3 cases, slime balls for coaches. I am surprised.

I would estimate 90% of the fans on every UK message board (including our old Scout site) said the same thing about Calipari before March, 2009.
These guys are by no means perfect but few coaches/people are.

Darryl

cattails

06-10-2014, 06:00 PM

Darryl, your list seems to point to you having an affinity for liars, and in 2 of the 3 cases, slime balls for coaches. I am surprised.

Did you just call Pitino a slim ball???????????? :happy0100: :4chsmu1: And a Pearl of a thought!!

dan_bgblue

06-10-2014, 06:09 PM

You could certainly be right about that. I was never a big Calipari fan, but not for the reasons that you might think. I hated the style of basketball he coached at UMass and Memphis first and foremost. Watched a ton of Memphis games and never became a fan. The other thing I had against him was the FedEx internship. I thought that was cheating, and did not find out until he had been at UK for a year or 2 that the NCAA had sanctioned the internships.

There is nothing like winning to make a fan happy with a coach, but I still do not like the style of ball UK plays under his coaching.

Terry Blue

06-10-2014, 06:14 PM

Cal, doesn't have any NCAA violations against him. Pitino only very minor when he was assistant at Hawaii. Brooks, can't remember, and it happened so long before he became coach, noone else did either. Bruce Pearl at UK would fit like Justin Bieber in an Opera House

KSRBEvans

06-10-2014, 06:14 PM

See post # 41

Oops--guess I'm not better than that! :indifferent0020:

TRUCKERCATFAN

06-10-2014, 09:00 PM

dan_bgblue

06-10-2014, 09:06 PM

The only problem with Pearl returning to coaching is that he is no longer on Sirius radio. He was great to listen to and very gracious and professional with callers even when asked about his own transgressions.

As someone posted earlier, he is a good salesman, and that includes selling himself to the public. I am not buying him as coach of UK

Darryl

06-10-2014, 09:15 PM

The only problem with Pearl returning to coaching is that he is no longer on Sirius radio. He was great to listen to and very gracious and professional with callers even when asked about his own transgressions.

Trucker, I became a fan of his listening to him. He sure SEEMED very knowledgeable and was terrific.

Darryl

TRUCKERCATFAN

06-10-2014, 09:19 PM

Trucker, I became a fan of his listening to him. He sure SEEMED very knowledgeable and was terrific.

Darryl

I sure thought so. Had him tuned in a lot during basketball season. Very insightful. He even remorsefully stated that he broke NCAA rules and made it worse by lying about. I grew to like the guy. I'm on your side with this one. UK could do a lot worse than Pearl.

UL fans are like slinkys. Completely useless but fun to push down stairs!

Darryl

06-10-2014, 09:25 PM

I sure thought so. Had him tuned in a lot during basketball season. Very insightful. He even remorsefully stated that he broke NCAA rules and made it worse by lying about. I grew to like the guy. I'm on your side with this one. UK could do a lot worse than Pearl.

UL fans are like slinkys. Completely useless but fun to push down stairs!

Trucker, I meant to tell you before. From my birth till I was 18, my Dad drove a truck on those Eastern Kentucky backroads.
He hauled dynamite, blasting caps, etc for the coal mines. Worked for Austin Powder Company. Dangerous, dangerous work.

Be careful out there.

Darryl

TRUCKERCATFAN

06-10-2014, 09:59 PM

Trucker, I meant to tell you before. From my birth till I was 18, my Dad drove a truck on those Eastern Kentucky backroads.
He hauled dynamite, blasting caps, etc for the coal mines. Worked for Austin Powder Company. Dangerous, dangerous work.

Be careful out there.

Darryl

You have mentioned it to me before. Your dad must have been one hell of a driver and a great man to have done that kind of work.

BigBlue92

06-10-2014, 10:41 PM

Having read both pages of this thread, 1 thought comes to mind: This thread has been open for almost 8 hours, and no one has made the obligatory Rick Barnes joke yet. C'mon folks. We're better than that.

We should have been able to expect people to have our back while we are away. Disappointing.

BigBlue92

06-10-2014, 10:47 PM

We should have been able to expect people to have our back while we are away. Disappointing.

OK, so not all is lost. But still disappointing that it took 41 posts.

BarristerCat

06-11-2014, 01:25 AM

Is that the kind of success UK fans would be happy with? He has top shelf talent every year.

The head coach isn't the determining factor in how far a team goes in any given NCAA Tournament. If Miller keeps putting together teams that get high seeds, he'll get to his share of Final Fours.

I would estimate 90% of the fans on every UK message board (including our old Scout site) said the same thing about Calipari before March, 2009.
These guys are by no means perfect but few coaches/people are.

Darryl

Regardless of what stupid thing 90% of posters said 5 years ago, we know Pitino raped a woman and paid her to take care of it, and we know a half-naked Pearl got drunk with half-naked coeds and willingly allowed himself to be photographed while doing so. Those things happened. Those failings are not a product of the imagination of internet meatballs. That kind of spectacularly awful judgment is comparable to Billy Clyde, not Cal. So, you should be talking about what 90% of posters were saying about Billy Clyde in 2009 when you bring up Pitino and Pearl.

UKHistory

06-11-2014, 08:51 AM

From a purely style of play perspective, if a UK fan was expecting non-stop, racehorse basketball every game, this style of play is not for you.

I do personally miss more cutting and screens for players. But the results are hard to argue.

Also I recall in 2006 when UK face Memphis in Hawaii. Memphis wiped the floor with us. They outclassed in terms of not only team and speed but seemingly just superior players. It was such a complete loss, I was not mad because the team on the floor could not compete.

That was a sobering loss.

You could certainly be right about that. I was never a big Calipari fan, but not for the reasons that you might think. I hated the style of basketball he coached at UMass and Memphis first and foremost. Watched a ton of Memphis games and never became a fan. The other thing I had against him was the FedEx internship. I thought that was cheating, and did not find out until he had been at UK for a year or 2 that the NCAA had sanctioned the internships.

There is nothing like winning to make a fan happy with a coach, but I still do not like the style of ball UK plays under his coaching.

KeithKSR

06-11-2014, 11:34 AM

Miller. Top choice.

Pitino has burned too many bridges to ever be considered as a UK coach again.

Pear would be an unpopular choice.

Donovan, would be a good choice, but it looks like if he leaves Florida it would be for the NBA.

ukpumacat

06-11-2014, 12:05 PM

we know Pitino raped a woman

I'm not into defending Pitino but that is a pretty serious charge. We don't KNOW that at all. All we know is that they had sex and he paid her to take care of it. And we know she was accused of blackmailing him.

Darrell KSR

06-11-2014, 12:14 PM

And we know she was accused of blackmailing him.

And convicted.

DanISSELisdaman

06-14-2014, 11:25 AM

I don't think I could stand to watch the Cats with Bruce Pearl as coach. He would be my last choice for coach at Ky. One step below Billy Clyde and that's scraping bottom mister!

UKStucat

08-19-2014, 09:01 PM

I don't think Cal is going anywhere anytime soon. Should he leave in the next two to five years I would not want Bruce Pearl or Rick Pitino. I don't think Billy Donovan would leave Florida as his family seems to have developed "roots" in Gainsville. I really have not thought that far ahead about who our next coach will be but sure hope it would not be Bruce Pearl.