Changes coming to the internet in our future?

[dan_bgblue]

FCC plans for the future? (http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/05/14/fcc-to-cripple-internet/?intcmp=obnetwork)

[Darrell KSR]

Has Al Gore approved?

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[CitizenBBN]

Has Al Gore approved?

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You better believe it. This is a massive government controlled barrier to entry for the entire US economy that will generate tens of millions in lobbying dollars for the pockets of people like Gore. Centralizing power is more money for them.

This will have massive havoc on the internet and the US economy. Want to get to KSR? Well we may or may not be available, just like the Golf Channel on your cable provider package. You want every website or every host to have to negotiate just like the crap we've seen go on between TV and the providers where entire channels are just gone while they play negotiation chicken?

Net neutrality is the cornerstone of what made the internet exist at all. Its corollary, the blocking of state sales tax regulations, is what allowed business to thrive on the net b/c any small mom and pop place could get a site and boom the whole world can get to you and do business. But that is based on net neutrality, as is everything else non-business oriented on the net.

These fascist corrupt bastards need to be drug out of their offices in DC and properly tarred and feathered and run out of town on rails just like the British tax collectors.

This current FCC is very dangerous and Obama's promises to the contrary he very much wants to centralize control of all of this b/c he knows in the end government control of the providers (who then control the content) only helps the Leftist cause, and if it destroys the US economy and individual liberty and the future of freedoms like assembly and equality of opportunity tough luck.

No, lets hand over the regulation of domains to the UN and the content to massive corporations in bed with big government. I'd like to think they're just stupid and not as Orwellian as they appear, but I am losing that hope.

No sane person who values individual liberty and understands how the internet works could possibly support the plan many expect to be put forth by the FCC Commissioner. he's either stupid or intentionally wants to "get control of" all this free speech and universal access to information that has added to our liberty and opportunity.

[dan_bgblue]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/05/15/amid-protests-fcc-to-vote-on-new-net-neutrality-proposal/

[CitizenBBN]

The funny part is both sides claim to be preserving net neutrality. I need to do some more reading on just how the fast/slow lane idea is supposed to do that other than to create more revenue for providers that they say they need in order to build more infrastructure. Same arguments Ma Bell used that in fact held back investment and advancement, may be a lesson there.

[PedroDaGr8]

The funny part is both sides claim to be preserving net neutrality. I need to do some more reading on just how the fast/slow lane idea is supposed to do that other than to create more revenue for providers that they say they need in order to build more infrastructure. Same arguments Ma Bell used that in fact held back investment and advancement, may be a lesson there.

It's the exact same, they want yo charge companies you want to reach to reach you. Basically they want people paying both ways. Three last time thus came up some of the talking heads tried to confuse this, net neutrality, with the fairness doctrine. When nothing can be further from the truth. Imagine when candidates have to pay to reach you. Plus political pressure on controversial candidates and you can see an easy way to censorship that doesn't involve the government.


Combine this ruling that with the fact that Comcast says 100% of subscribers will have a data cap in a few years and you can see where this is going. Charge for faster speed to your clients, charge for x amount not charged against your data cap, charge for the type of traffic, etc etc etc. You will see bundles offered, visit Netflix you get the Netflix bundle with imdb, etc etc etc. Want yo view espn3 get our sports website bundle. This stuff is very very very troubling. It truly could be the end of the internet as we know it. No lie, it adds a huge barrier to entry. Making out virtually impossible for new services to appear.

[CitizenBBN]

Agree 100% pedro. People don't get the extent to which this could be the end of the net. Right now you get a site, put up a page, get a domain and you're in business. In their world you'd have to sign up with some provider or some intermediary with a contract with the provider who will then allow access to your site. the end of neutrality and innovation, but a way for corporate monoliths and politicians and bureaucrats to line their pockets.

We're at a critical juncture in American history. Will the virtual world be free like the open spaces of America during westward expansion, our liberties and privacy assured in our virtual lives as well as in the walls of our home, or will it be nothing more than another corporate boondoggle that is more akin to the scary sci fi visions and warnings of our future?

The good news is some pretty big players are lining up against it. Now if the FCC chair will just get hit by a bus...

[suncat05]

This current POTUS is determined to cripple America in any way that he can. And so far he has done a really good job of it.

This is exactly what happens when we elect an individual into the WH that essentially was not qualified to hold the job to start with, and who brought no real experience of any kind into arguably the toughest job in the world.
We're getting exactly what we deserve.

[KeithKSR]

Control of the internet is another step toward control of the available information.

[CitizenBBN]

That's it Keith.

The internet is old school American capitalism. Complete decentralization and deregulation. want to start a site to say something or sell something? You can be up in minutes and never have to get government permission, get a state "website approval number", check city ordinances for the layout or color scheme. It's free, it's open, it's equal. No back slapping politicians doling out favors, no barriers to entry where the connected or wealthier can have a site but you can't.

Of course what no centralization of power means is no way for those in power to have control or personally benefit from it. That's a huge problem for those in power and those who want to influence those in power to gain advantage in the (for now) free market. Even the bureaucrats can't stand to leave it alone b/c they are sure they know better and can only improve things by passing some mandates and regulations to "make it even better".

The internet is America of old, and it works and works amazingly well. It unleashes the individual spirit and innovation, unlocks the greatness of human invention. It has developed at an unreal pace in every direction because it was unfettered by the shackles of the State and not under the control of the entrenched companies that use government to squash threats. Just as the US went from a backwater to a dominant economic force with more wealth created than the entire rest of the world in mere decades, the internet has gone from nothing to everything even faster.

Unfortunately like America itself I imagine the temptation is too great, and with the Constitution so shredded that it cannot hold back the pigs who want to control that trough I doubt this lasts much longer. In 5-10 years you'll have to get your state website approval ID number and file your site changes with the Department of Consumer Internet Protection, etc.

[dan_bgblue]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/18/news/companies/att-directv/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

[dan_bgblue]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/fcc-chairman-ajit-pai-reveals-plan-to-reverse-mistake-net-neutrality.html

[PedroDaGr8]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/fcc-chairman-ajit-pai-reveals-plan-to-reverse-mistake-net-neutrality.html

Say goodbye to the internet as you know it. This will cause nothing by skyrocketing rates for users, data caps that get tighter and tighter, monopolistic competition against services like netflix, etc.

[Darrell KSR]

Say goodbye to the internet as you know it. This will cause nothing by skyrocketing rates for users, data caps that get tighter and tighter, monopolistic competition against services like netflix, etc.

Ugh.

[dan_bgblue]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/05/18/fcc-to-take-initial-vote-to-roll-back-obama-era-internet-rules.html

[Doc]

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/05/18/fcc-to-take-initial-vote-to-roll-back-obama-era-internet-rules.html

This is what happens when a "ruling party" does things in a partisan manner. Eventually the other party gains control and gets rid of it. Same thing that is happening with AHCA. Had it been done in a more middle of the road manner and gotten some support and input from across the isle, it might have been palatable and survivable. instead it was jammed down our throat because it could be.

[Darrell KSR]

Friend of mine always says these things are like a pendulum clock. It swings all the way to one side, and then all the way to the other side. It ought to stop in the middle, but nobody thinks they won if that happens.

[Doc]

Friend of mine always says these things are like a pendulum clock. It swings all the way to one side, and then all the way to the other side. It ought to stop in the middle, but nobody thinks they won if that happens.

A smart person would which is why nobody in Washington will see it that way. Of course we are the idiots who keep electing those idiots.

[PedroDaGr8]

This is what happens when a "ruling party" does things in a partisan manner. Eventually the other party gains control and gets rid of it. Same thing that is happening with AHCA. Had it been done in a more middle of the road manner and gotten some support and input from across the isle, it might have been palatable and survivable. instead it was jammed down our throat because it could be.
Sorry but that line of logic doesn't work here. The previous ruling was to codify the internet under the rules it had always informally existed under. The ISPs were wanting to end those informal rules so they could extract a lot money out of you (and others) as well as prevent having to actually compete. The previous admin wanted to prevent this and even most Republicans voters don't want this, but the Republicans in charge aren't even listening to their own constituents for this. They are listening only to the companies that paid them the most money. Quite frankly, the internet as we know it is done. It will exist in some form but expect the cost to rise dramatically, expect companies like Netflix to face higher costs and unfair competition, expect few to no new startups to challenge cables monopoly on your internet, etc. Basically, it will now no longer be nearly as free as it used to be and that's a sad sad thing. This was a battle between fair-market capitalism and corporatism. Corporatism won and capitalism lost.

My guess is Netflix will exist for the next few years, maybe a bit more. If we are lucky, they have enough clout to fight back, but don't forget most ISPs now own a media company (at least one) and it's now in their best interest to screw Netflix over to promote their own internal media. At minimum, expect Netflix costs to rise dramatically (maybe double or more). They basically want to be come a cable company over the internet, instead of an ISP provider, a return to the AOL "walled-garden" of old. Where you basically consume what they let through. They won't do it all at once, they are smarter than that, but it will happen slowly over time. Mark my word, the day that conservative media gets deprioritized for being "hate speech", will be the day that the Republicans will regret this decision. Unfortunately, it will happen and it will be a bed of their own making.

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