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badrose
09-25-2012, 11:37 AM
COMPLAINTS MOUNT AGAINST MICHELLE O'S NEW LUNCH MENU...
STUDENTS BEG IN VIDEO...
'WE ARE HUNGRY'...
'THIS DOESN'T CUT IT'...
WASTED FOOD...
Pizza on menu today at Obama girls' school...

http://www.drudgereport.com/ Top of the page

SalsaKat
09-25-2012, 01:35 PM
Hey, pizza is a vegetable, so that's a healthy menu too.

Doc
09-25-2012, 02:30 PM
so is Catsup...or is it Ketchup?

CitizenBBN
09-25-2012, 03:46 PM
Hummus and black bean salads in elementary schools? Kids who insist on eating chicken nuggets for every meal.

I think Michele O needs to work those lunch lines for a while. Lots of parents try to get their kids to eat "right", but they have to mix it in with what they'll actually eat.

Hummus a "tough sell" to elementary school kids whose parents have never eaten it. Ya think Captain Obvious?

CitizenBBN
09-25-2012, 03:47 PM
Oh, and when Reagan had ketchup end up as "vegetable" on the list, which was fairly misleading, it got front page news everywhere. Think this one will be front page anywhere? I mean other than here and Drudge.

dan_bgblue
10-03-2012, 11:18 AM
Nanny with a Trash Cam (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-may-install-trash-cams-to-spy-on-kids-tossing-veggies.html)

CitizenBBN
10-03-2012, 06:16 PM
Nanny with a Trash Cam (http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-may-install-trash-cams-to-spy-on-kids-tossing-veggies.html)

Looks like a sound idea. People think it's to enforce the mandate, but what they want is to have video to prove that the federal mandate is failing and fight against it.

Here's a news flash Michelle: kids given a choice between broccoli they don't like and not eating will NOT EAT. This isn't news to anyone who was a kid or raised a kid or otherwise has drawn breath.

It's the level of naivety that most shocks me. These people live in some alternate universe where "that's such a wonderful thing" somehow will just magically happen if we put pen to paper. They dont' even begin to think through how some bubble land decree will actually end up in the real world.

The sheer conceit of thinking they should be in charge of telling people how to eat and how to dress (see Obama's speech), and using the power of the State to make sure you listen, is beyond words. it's not just wrong and useless, it's offensive.

Doc
10-03-2012, 06:53 PM
Guess what. Its my responsibility as a parent to raise my kids which includes determining what they do and don't eat.

However folks really are missing the big issue here. Those who support this use the government is subsidizing the lunch program hence is responsible for what is and isn't on the menu. The gov't should not be buying junk food. I agree, however I am going to go one step farther and to the real important issue. Why is the government subsidizing lunches in our school? I reside in a typical middle america neighborhood and most of the the kids who attend schools here are well off and do not require or ask for government assistance. I'd much prefer my child have a "hot lunch" rather than brown bagging it however since the gov't is subsidizing it, subsidizing all the lunch programs, it now gives them the say so it what is served. See, once in the gov't gets to determine the rules, what is offered and what isn't...what is appropriate and what is not. The decide because its their check that is covering some of the costs.

And you think its going to stop there? Just wait until the "Affordable Health Care Act" kicks in!

CitizenBBN
10-03-2012, 07:10 PM
Doc I couldn't agree more. That's the insidious nature of government. They come to you with something "free" and then start to run the show b/c after all they are funding it (or at least part of it).

So b/c they "give" you health care, they can now tell you to wear a motorcycle helmet b/c if you injure yourself they may have to pay the bill. Yeah but who asked them to pay the bill? They use their funding to get around the whole concept of individual liberty and also federalism.

Why on Earth is the federal government determining what happens in local schools all the way down to detailed menus for lunch? That was not and is not the purview of the federal authority and was never intended by the Founders. Education was always a state and local matter. if California wants to require veggies and fruit and ban pizza fine, that's their state constitution to battle over, but they don't get to vote in a federal politician who then inflicts it on us.

This is why the Founders knew the best solution was to have as little government as possible, involved in as few things as possible. once they become involved all the intentions of that involvement will be corrupted and twisted and subvert individual and local community choices. You lose independence, the right to do as you choose or to raise your children as you choose.

dan_bgblue
10-18-2012, 09:33 AM
Flamin Hot Cheetos (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/10/18/some-california-schools-ban-popular-snack-flamin-hot-cheetos/?intcmp=features)

jazyd
10-18-2012, 09:42 AM
How many think Michelle eats that stuff? Thought so.YOu can have healthy lunch'es but do it in a way the kids like the food. I can't remember his name, but the british chef that had the show where he goes into school districts and tries to revive the menus, he does it with fresh food that taste good. No way I eat Hummus, I don't even like the sound of it.



Hummus and black bean salads in elementary schools? Kids who insist on eating chicken nuggets for every meal.

I think Michele O needs to work those lunch lines for a while. Lots of parents try to get their kids to eat "right", but they have to mix it in with what they'll actually eat.

Hummus a "tough sell" to elementary school kids whose parents have never eaten it. Ya think Captain Obvious?

CitizenBBN
10-18-2012, 11:16 AM
Flamin Hot Cheetos (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/10/18/some-california-schools-ban-popular-snack-flamin-hot-cheetos/?intcmp=features)

Andrew Jackson Elementary School in Pasadena, said any student who brings the snack to school will have the item confiscated.

Man. Anyone else glad they grew up when parents could still raise their kids and every little thing wasn't a national emergency requiring federal regulation?

Catonahottinroof
10-18-2012, 11:20 AM
Give em some Soylent Green :)

CitizenBBN
10-18-2012, 11:31 AM
Jazy it's laughable to try to serve that to kids. I make a good hummus and my nieces like it but they have been raised on a multi-national cuisine, heavy on Asian, since birth. Their nanny is Thai and they (like I) keep Nuoc Mam (Vietnamese fish sauce) infused with Thai chilies in the fridge and use it regularly.

Even they still do the same basic thing all kids do of only wanting to eat about 5 things. Theirs are different, but it's the same thing: getting little kids to try new foods is a struggle at best and is a genetic predisposition designed to keep kids from eating foods that would make them sick.

So without parents there they expect kids who often refuse to eat anything but chicken nuggets for a week to try foods they've never heard of before.

it's beyond ill-conceived. It's just flat stupid. I mean really stupid. I can only guess Michelle didn't do a lot of hands on rearing of the kids for her to not know this is dumb as a box of hammers.

cattails
10-18-2012, 03:25 PM
Give em some Soylent Green :)

I remember that movie.

ColonelSteve
10-18-2012, 03:38 PM
This upset me from the first time I heard it...here's a thought...if youre not satisfied with school lunch...BRING YOUR LUNCH FROM HOME...problem solved

Catonahottinroof
10-18-2012, 03:44 PM
I remember that movie.

50 years ago, some saw a socialist utopia occurring....

Hmmmmm

dan_bgblue
10-18-2012, 04:10 PM
This upset me from the first time I heard it...here's a thought...if youre not satisfied with school lunch...BRING YOUR LUNCH FROM HOME...problem solved

That is definitely a solution, but would it not be better for all concerned for the school cafeteria to serve food most kids would eat?

ColonelSteve
10-18-2012, 04:13 PM
That is definitely a solution, but would it not be better for all concerned for the school cafeteria to serve food most kids would eat?

They need to actually cook the food there again, it's OK to serve what they served before as long as its fresh and not shipped in on a big rig frozen cause all the sodium to preserve it is actually whats poisoning everyone

CGWildcat
10-18-2012, 04:56 PM
Citizen has a nanny??? :cool:

CitizenBBN
10-18-2012, 09:28 PM
Citizen has a nanny??? :cool:

If a 20 year old hot girl with a thing for middle aged guys asked if I needed one, she'd be hired. :)

I don't, but my nieces do. Very nice and fairly wacky Thai lady. They've been exposed to a very diverse cuisine where they live, about everything imaginable, and their mom still feeds them chicken nuggets and grilled cheese a huge chunk of the time b/c that's what they'll eat. She works in veggies and fruit but even though they like Pad Thai, sushi and bagels and lox it's still a challenge to get them to eat more than 5 things in a cycle.

So it's hard for kids who have a far wider pallet than I dreamed of having at that age. Good luck with my meat and potatoes family. One year I made cheese hominy instead of cheese grits for a holiday dinner and it was met with initial trepidation. Hominy is just the bran kernel of corn and is often turned into grits.

Imagine had I served hummus. Maybe a nice basil pesto and olive tapanade bruschetta. lol

dan_bgblue
10-18-2012, 09:37 PM
Have I told my boiled cabbage story before?

badrose
10-18-2012, 10:43 PM
The whole thing is about obesity. Kids need to get outside two or three times a day and play. Tag, tether-ball, marbles, whatever. Work up a good appetite, suddenly the number of things your willing to try grows substantially. At Russell Independant Schools we had great food most of the time. A few kids were obese but not many.

Doc
10-19-2012, 07:18 AM
This upset me from the first time I heard it...here's a thought...if youre not satisfied with school lunch...BRING YOUR LUNCH FROM HOME...problem solved

My first thought is why the hell is the government in the food service business? My tax dollars are going to this give away too. However you failed tha address a major point.

Andrew Jackson Elementary School in Pasadena, said any student who brings the snack to school will have the item confiscated.

This snack confiscation is for student who bring their own lunch. If I limit my child to one bag of chips a week and the school confiscates it because they don't think it's heatly, we got some major issues

ColonelSteve
10-19-2012, 07:40 PM
My first thought is why the hell is the government in the food service business? My tax dollars are going to this give away too. However you failed tha address a major point.

Andrew Jackson Elementary School in Pasadena, said any student who brings the snack to school will have the item confiscated.

This snack confiscation is for student who bring their own lunch. If I limit my child to one bag of chips a week and the school confiscates it because they don't think it's heatly, we got some major issues

It's time for more parents to start homeschooling

Catonahottinroof
10-19-2012, 07:51 PM
It's time for more parents to start homeschooling

They will get a better education...

dan_bgblue
10-19-2012, 08:00 PM
They will get a better education...

A lot of them would for sure, but what about the kids of 30% of parents that can not read or write and do not know where Cuba is, or that an atom is smaller than a molecule?

ColonelSteve
10-19-2012, 08:06 PM
A lot of them would for sure, but what about the kids of 30% of parents that can not read or write and do not know where Cuba is, or that an atom is smaller than a molecule?

Youre right...but lets be honest...do most of these teachers we trust to teach the kids really truly know what they are teaching without the manual?

Catonahottinroof
10-19-2012, 08:41 PM
Plenty of evidence out there on the interwebz that SAT/ACT scores are consistently higher with home schooled students versus their publicly educated counterparts.

Quite simply, the home school teacher is a parent, likely a mother and they care more about the education of their child than a state educator.

So not only is a public education of lesser quality, so are the menu choices :/

Doc
10-19-2012, 10:35 PM
It's time for more parents to start homeschooling

Wow, I just wrenched my neck trying to watch that deflection. Homeschooling has zero to do with the topic... Zip..... Nada..... Zilch

Doc
10-19-2012, 10:41 PM
But if this was a homeschooling thread then I'd say some families are unable or unwilling to homeschool. Both my wife and myself work. We work and pay taxes on what we earn which in part goes to local govt to educate our kids. We're there no county schools we wold send them to private schools but as of now my tax dollars are paying to educate them. Much of the funds are misdirected into feeding programs, unfortunately.

DanISSELisdaman
10-20-2012, 12:37 AM
Have I told my boiled cabbage story before?If you've told it, I didn't hear it Dan.

dan_bgblue
10-20-2012, 10:05 AM
If you've told it, I didn't hear it Dan.

Thanks for raising your hand.:p

Any male that grew up in rural KY made money in the summer during school break doing day labor on local farms. I was the youngest on a local crew that hired out to haul in hay for local farmers. One such job I had is pertinent to this thread. Butch picked me up one morning along with other members of the crew and we went to the job. We hauled, stacked, unloaded and re-stacked the bales all morning until the farmer called timeout for lunch. It was typical of the time for the wife of the farmer to prepare lunch for her husband and the hay crew. The farmer and his wife were an older couple, probably in their early 60s. These meals were looked on as a bonus for the crew and were generally terrific meals.

We washed up and sat down at the table. The wife brings in a huge platter of cornbread, home churned butter, a huge bowl of boiled cabbage and another huge bowl of brown beans. She said, boys eat up there is plenty more where that came from and went back to the kitchen. I kept waiting for her to come back from the kitchen with some meat, potatoes, corn, green beans, etc. Never happened.

My Mother was a great cook, but she grew up in the north, and to my knowledge had never cooked boiled cabbage, brown beans, or corn bread for us at home. I was used to white beans, green beans, peas, limas, boiled and creamed corn, potatoes, carrots, spinach, etc along with some meat and biscuits or sourdough bread.

Folks I was hungry, real hungry, but the only thing I ate that day was the cornbread and butter. We worked in the hay field the rest of the day, and went home late afternoon. We had another day's work the following day and had all the baled hay in the barn before we left.

I asked Mom to pack a lunch for me for the next day as I had no idea what to expect for a meal the following day. Now I am sure many of you wouldn't think anything odd about a meal of boiled cabbage, brown beans, and cornbread as you ate that growing up, but this ole boy took 2 bologna sandwiches on sourdough, a banana and an apple to the field the next day.

Darrell KSR
10-20-2012, 10:20 AM
Jazy, you're missing out--hummus is delicious. It's my 13-year old daughter's favorite food.

It doesn't taste anything like it, but for us oldtimers that used to eat this growing up, it reminds me of potted meat. Just more flavorful, and obviously healthier.


No way I eat Hummus, I don't even like the sound of it.

CitizenBBN
10-20-2012, 04:01 PM
Dan, great story. I will say it was almost unheard of to not have a meat in any meal served at home, though one could argue there was more than enough in the veggies. Country ham is required in all string beans and is well thought of in limas, brussel sprouts, cabbage, salads, pretty much everything but homemade peach ice cream.

Darrell - I make a very good hummus, gets raves. My niece loves it but most of my family is strictly meat and potatoes.

This is yet another "ends justify the means" problem of government. We want kids to eat healthy, we all agree, but for the left that means it's OK to tell local communities what they can and can't do with their school, tell parents what they can and cannot feed their kids, and even what qualifies as healthy and not, all from the Forbidden Palace we refer to as the District of Columbia.

Even if it worked it's not justified, the price we pay in losing local decisions and parental decisions is too high, but of course since it came from the Forbidden Palace, where the rulers have little understanding of the real world, it will also fail miserably.

So yet another lose lose scenario of government intervention in the most basic principles of individualism. We move further down the road of acceptance that the state has infinite power and further add to the bureaucracy that is in the end only making the whole system worse.

I cannot believe we're down to regulating which perfectly safe foods we can and can't eat. Even Orwell and Bradbury didn't imagine such an outrageous use of the power of the state. the pigs weren't allowed to eat meat or drink alcohol but that wasn't about food but about coming to emulate the original oppressor.

jazyd
10-20-2012, 11:03 PM
Darrell, I didn't eat potted meat, plants are to be potted, not meat. I eat real meat.



Jazy, you're missing out--hummus is delicious. It's my 13-year old daughter's favorite food.

It doesn't taste anything like it, but for us oldtimers that used to eat this growing up, it reminds me of potted meat. Just more flavorful, and obviously healthier.

CitizenBBN
10-21-2012, 12:51 AM
Now how can you go camping or get a Redneck Membership Card without at least eating Vienna sausages or Spam? lol.

jazyd
10-21-2012, 11:29 AM
hot dogs on a stick or potato chips. :)



Now how can you go camping or get a Redneck Membership Card without at least eating Vienna sausages or Spam? lol.

CitizenBBN
10-21-2012, 02:19 PM
hot dogs on a stick or potato chips. :)

I dunno Jazy. That might get you a Good 'Ol Boy card, but I think a Redneck Card requires at least something out of a can. How about Hormel chili? Cheez Whiz? Trying to work with ya here. ;)

ColonelSteve
10-21-2012, 05:37 PM
I dunno Jazy. That might get you a Good 'Ol Boy card, but I think a Redneck Card requires at least something out of a can. How about Hormel chili? Cheez Whiz? Trying to work with ya here. ;)

LMAO REAL rednecks buy the Walmart brand...youre too rich to buy name brands...you need to turn in your Redneck Card yourself

CitizenBBN
10-21-2012, 07:42 PM
There wasn't a Wal Mart when I got my card. I'm grandfathered. :)

jazyd
10-21-2012, 11:45 PM
I ate some of that crap when I was working as a deckhand on the river in the summers while in college.
Kinda like our deer camp now, we have a 37" HD tv, directv satellite, air condition, and our usual menu is grilled chicken on Fri nite and steak on Sat night. We have had beer tips over rice, blackened redfish, fried catfish, pork tenderloin, for breakfast eggs and bacon, or deer sausage cooked on the grill with toast. lunch is usually grilled burgers, then a nice nap while watching football before we lumber off to a stand, usually late getting there.



I dunno Jazy. That might get you a Good 'Ol Boy card, but I think a Redneck Card requires at least something out of a can. How about Hormel chili? Cheez Whiz? Trying to work with ya here. ;)

CitizenBBN
10-22-2012, 12:49 AM
I ate some of that crap when I was working as a deckhand on the river in the summers while in college.
Kinda like our deer camp now, we have a 37" HD tv, directv satellite, air condition, and our usual menu is grilled chicken on Fri nite and steak on Sat night. We have had beer tips over rice, blackened redfish, fried catfish, pork tenderloin, for breakfast eggs and bacon, or deer sausage cooked on the grill with toast. lunch is usually grilled burgers, then a nice nap while watching football before we lumber off to a stand, usually late getting there.

Who do you hunt with, the guys from Queer Eye?

Pu***. :D

jazyd
10-22-2012, 10:36 AM
LOL

We just like to eat good, it is why we gain about 15# during hunting season, get great naps, get away from the wives and pressure.



Who do you hunt with, the guys from Queer Eye?

Pu***. :D

jazyd
10-22-2012, 10:36 AM
I have to aske though, what the heck is humus, I looked it up and somehow it didn't sound good.

Doc
10-22-2012, 11:00 AM
Hummus, not to be confused with Hagus, is a mash made of chickpeas (garbonzo beans) with garlic, oil-usually olive oil, and other spices. Its basically a spread that is put on some type of bread or cracker. To me it tastes like sand.

CitizenBBN
10-22-2012, 11:29 AM
get great naps, get away from the wives and pressure.

You had me at this part. When do I come down? :)

CitizenBBN
10-22-2012, 11:43 AM
I have to aske though, what the heck is humus, I looked it up and somehow it didn't sound good.

Doc listed the basics. Mashed chickpeas, which are a near staple of the north African diet, with olive oil. You then add garlic and traditionally sesame paste and salt. I use Asian sesame oil b/c it's a bit richer flavor (it's roasted) and also b/c it keeps forever and I always have it in stock for asian cooking as opposed to real sesame paste.

I like it, my niece loves it, but it is something that can be tasteless if it's not prepared right.

dan_bgblue
12-08-2012, 08:20 PM
Michele's Menu Being Revised (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/08/usda-will-allow-more-meat-grains-in-school-lunches-following-criticism/)

CitizenBBN
12-08-2012, 11:10 PM
I love the "Congress doesn't need to intervene" part. So Congress needs to not interfere in their interference.

To borrow a phrase, I do not think that word means what these conceited nutrition Nazis think it means.

uklandrn
12-20-2012, 07:36 AM
Hummus, not to be confused with Hagus, is a mash made of chickpeas (garbonzo beans) with garlic, oil-usually olive oil, and other spices. Its basically a spread that is put on some type of bread or cracker. To me it tastes like sand.

THANK YOU DOC!!! I was beginning to think I was the only person on earth who did not like hummus. I have tried to like it. I have eaten 25 different types - and all I think is -YUCK!

Funny Hummus story. (At least it was funny to me). I worked with a resident physician who was - how shall I put it - not the nicest person. She had a horrible attitude and basically made life terrible for anyone caught in her wake. She ate hummus with every meal. We were having a party for soemone at work and made a pot luck list for people to sign up to bring things. Since I had the prettiest writing - I always made the signs. This party was called "Angie's Hummus Free Party - No Hummus Allowed"
All the staff who had dealt with this person thought it was hilarious. I never found out if she ate at our party - but no matter - No Hummus was served. After she left the program - hummus was back on the menu.

Darrell KSR
12-21-2012, 12:03 AM
Oh, man...you guys don't know what you're missing. My 13-year old daughter and I had some pita chips and hummus tonight. It's delicious!

cattails
12-21-2012, 04:18 AM
Darrell, I didn't eat potted meat, plants are to be potted, not meat. I eat real meat.

Come on Skip, taste just like chicken, or some kind of chicken.

jazyd
12-21-2012, 09:38 AM
I don't eat chicken butts either :)


Come on Skip, taste just like chicken, or some kind of chicken.

Darrell KSR
12-21-2012, 10:07 AM
It's like potted meat; just flavorful.

Man, as a kid potted meat and vienna sausages were staples. You guys missed out if you didn't eat those.

CitizenBBN
12-21-2012, 05:05 PM
It's like potted meat; just flavorful.

Man, as a kid potted meat and vienna sausages were staples. You guys missed out if you didn't eat those.

Come on, Jazy doesn't leave for a hunting trip without his fine china and and a nice brie wheel and his quiche pan.

Ate many Vienna sausages as a kid as well as potted meat.Camping staples.

BigBluePappy
12-21-2012, 07:41 PM
Jamie Oliver


How many think Michelle eats that stuff? Thought so.YOu can have healthy lunch'es but do it in a way the kids like the food. I can't remember his name, but the british chef that had the show where he goes into school districts and tries to revive the menus, he does it with fresh food that taste good. No way I eat Hummus, I don't even like the sound of it.

BigBluePappy
12-21-2012, 07:50 PM
Heck, Vienna Sausages and crackers or Deviled Ham and crackers are still a part of my lunch menu.
Get tired of McD's or something else in a sack; I love the stuff.


It's like potted meat; just flavorful.

Man, as a kid potted meat and vienna sausages were staples. You guys missed out if you didn't eat those.

Darrell KSR
12-21-2012, 10:01 PM
Come on, Jazy doesn't leave for a hunting trip without his fine china and and a nice brie wheel and his quiche pan.

Ate many Vienna sausages as a kid as well as potted meat.Camping staples.

I haven't hunted in two decades, but reading his weekend makes me want to go just for the TV, eats and sleep. Man, that's living.

Darrell KSR
12-21-2012, 10:01 PM
Heck, Vienna Sausages and crackers or Deviled Ham and crackers are still a part of my lunch menu.
Get tired of McD's or something else in a sack; I love the stuff.

More tasty than 90% of fast food.

CitizenBBN
12-21-2012, 10:05 PM
I haven't hunted in two decades, but reading his weekend makes me want to go just for the TV, eats and sleep. Man, that's living.

Nicer than I live day to day that's for sure. One of the things about these metrosexuals I really admire.
:evilgrin0007:

jazyd
12-21-2012, 10:33 PM
Lol. Next weekend my nephew and his two boys are coming from Nashville. Already have the filets, chicken, catfish, every lil Debbie's made, burger meat, chips, dip, cookies. Walmart loves me. Looks like a 5 lb weekend



I haven't hunted in two decades, but reading his weekend makes me want to go just for the TV, eats and sleep. Man, that's living.

CitizenBBN
12-21-2012, 10:55 PM
Lol. Next weekend my nephew and his two boys are coming from Nashville. Already have the filets, chicken, catfish, every lil Debbie's made, burger meat, chips, dip, cookies. Walmart loves me. Looks like a 5 lb weekend

Guess you lost my phone number? :sad0119: