Draft thread

[Doc]

or chat?

I prefer thread but that's me

I'm feeling good about Noel going number 1. If not he doesn't go in the top 5


EDIT:

1 Cleveland - Anthony Bennett
2 Orlando - Victor Oladipo
3 Washington - Otto Porter
4 Charlotte - Cody Zeller
5 Phoenix - Alex Len
6 Philly (from New Orleans) -Nerlens Noel
7 Sacramento -Ben McLemore
8 Detroit - Kentavious Caldwell Pope
9 Utah (from Minnesota) - Trey Burke
10 Portland -CJ McCollum
11 Philadelphia -Micheal Carter Williams
12 Oklahoma City -Steven Adams
13 Boston (from Dallas) -Kelly Olynyk
14 Minnesota (from Utah) -Shabazz Muhammad
15 Milwaukee -Giannis Adetokunbo
16 Boston -Lucas Nogueira
17 Atlanta -
18 Atlanta -
19 Cleveland -
20 Chicago -
21 Utah -
22 Brooklyn -
23 Indiana -
24 New York -
25 LA Clippers -
26 Minnesota -
27 Denver -
28 San Antonio -
29 Oklahoma City -
30 Phoenix -

[Doc]

David Stern.....Dork

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In more ways than one.

[Darrell KSR]

or chat?

I prefer thread but that's me

I'm feeling good about Noel going number 1. If not he doesn't go in the top 5

Let's go thread, I'm with ya.

[Doc]

Watched one mock draft on ESPN U. Went Porter then Zeller. Had Nerlens at number 9 (LOL)

[MickintheHam]

How long does the first pick take???

[Doc]

How long does the first pick take???

apparently longer than 5 minutes

Should have to forfeit the pick!

[MickintheHam]

Stern must be in the can

[Doc]

Bennett goes number 1

[MickintheHam]

Wow!

[Doc]

no analyst called that. Problem is he is too short

[Darrell KSR]

no analyst called that. Problem is he is too short

He was my pick for best undersized player in the draft. I like Oladipo, but I like Bennett better in that genre.

[MickintheHam]

I don't feel good about Nerlins chances to go in top 5

[Doc]

I had him slotted 5 to Phoenix

[Doc]

I don't feel good about Nerlins chances to go in top 5

See post number 1

[blue2ksr]

Nearly a Wildcat goes at #1.

[Doc]

How long does it take to pick second?

[UKFlounder]

Oladipo second. Porter third

[ukpumacat]

Bennett has tons of talent. But, yeah, that's a surprise. I don't see the fit in Cleveland.

[Doc]

Magic pick Olidipo

[Doc]

Washington will take Porter

[Doc]

Could Noel end up in Charlotte??? :banghead:

[blueboss]

Let the trades begin

[Doc]

Yahoo already has Otto Porter listed as the third pick

[KMSBball]

Talking heads are wondering if Nerlens ends up in Phoenix.

[Doc]

Let the trades begin

I agree. I think Cleveland deals Bennett. He is basically T. Thompson.

[blue2ksr]

Wall to Noel!!

Slam!!

[ukpumacat]

Adrian Wor&*(&*(&*(&*(&ski is very connected. Might be why Yahoo has the pick in.

[MickintheHam]

See post number 1

Lol

[blue2ksr]

Wall to Noel!!

Slam!!

Wrong again!!

[Doc]

Three big picks left. McClemore (who I felt should have been the first pick), Noel and Len. That would be my order

[Doc]

Please don't pick Noel. There is a reason the Bobcats suck.

[MickintheHam]

They are drawing this out to fill TV time. Stern is a tool!

[blueboss]

How much does each dropped spot cost Nerlins?

[Doc]

Does Porter have any tats??

[Darrell KSR]

Does Porter have any tats??

Lol.

[Doc]

How much does each dropped spot cost Nerlins?

Its not much relatively speaking. Rather him go to a team he fits well with.

[blue2ksr]

How much does each dropped spot cost Nerlins?

Not sure but he'll still be a multi millionaire!

[BigBlue92]

Please don't pick Noel. There is a reason the Bobcats suck.

If they are not do stupid as reported to trade MKG, he and Nerlens could be wicked.

[UKFlounder]

Cody Zeller to Charlotte. Wow

[Doc]

Charlottes take ZELLER (LOL)

[blue2ksr]

This is a wild night!!

Cody Zeller?

[BigBlue92]

You have got to be shitting me. Zeller? Please trade MKG.

[ukpumacat]

Good grief. Yeah, Zeller is a better prospect than Noel??? Riiiiiight.

[Doc]

Won't happen but imagine Davis and Noel in NOLA.

[TonyRay]

Two top five picks on your team for two years and you can't get past the sweet 16?

[Darrell KSR]

Charlottes take ZELLER (LOL)

Whoa.

[ukpumacat]

This is crazy to me. The three best prospects in this draft to me (Noel, McLemore, Burke) are all still available. There is a great chance those three will be the best 3 players in 5 years.

[ukpumacat]

Someone is about to get a steal in Noel.

[Darrell KSR]

2306

[BigBlue92]

Someone is about to get a steal in Noel.

A lot of steals.

[Doc]

Two Hoosiers in the top 4. Should they have done more in the NCAA???

[Darrell KSR]

This is crazy to me. The three best prospects in this draft to me (Noel, McLemore, Burke) are all still available. There is a great chance those three will be the best 3 players in 5 years.

Reasonable position.

[blue2ksr]

Two top five picks on your team for two years and you can't get past the sweet 16?

LOL!! Isn't that the truth??

[ukpumacat]

I would not be surprised to see someone trade up at this point. If I am Boston, I trade Garnett or Pierce for pick #5 and draft the next Russell.

[Darrell KSR]

Two Hoosiers in the top 4. Should they have done more in the NCAA???

Yep.

[ShoesSwayedBlue]

Two top five picks on your team for two years and you can't get past the sweet 16?

Clappy can't coach talent. :sHa_dielaughing:

[BarristerCat]

This is crazy to me. The three best prospects in this draft to me (Noel, McLemore, Burke) are all still available. There is a great chance those three will be the best 3 players in 5 years.

I agree with your list. The only top 5 talent in this draft that is actually off the board at this point is Porter, IMO.

EDIT: Except I might quibble with Burke being on that list.

[dan_bgblue]

Bilas convinced almost everyone that Noel will never develop an offensive game.

I would have taken McClemore and Bennett ahead of him, but that is all I would picked before I took Noel.

Zeller, franchise player? Wow

[Doc]

This is crazy to me. The three best prospects in this draft to me (Noel, McLemore, Burke) are all still available. There is a great chance those three will be the best 3 players in 5 years.

I'm not as sold on Burke. See him around 10. McLemore was my first pick so while the focus is on Noel's "drop", I'd put more shock in McLemore's. And no mention of Len's drop. Many on TV and print media were quick to jump on the Lem as 1st pick bandwagon

[blue2ksr]

Phoenix is terrible too. Would love to see NN in NOLA.

[Doc]

Len to PHX

[CitizenBBN]

This is a wild night!!

Cody Zeller?

With MJ doing the picking you never know what they'll do. Out acted by Bugs Bunny, out GMed by Isiah Thomas. Guy is a train wreck as a manager/owner.

[Doc]

So McLemore is best on the board. NOLA has Rivers at the 2 so is no need but also have Davis in the post. Do they take Noel in the anticipation of maybe moving Davis to the 4 spot??? or do they take McLemore??? Neither is a need

[UKFlounder]

Sounds like Nerleans to New Orleans

[CitizenBBN]

Bilas convinced almost everyone that Noel will never develop an offensive game.



What Bilas knows about the NBA and NBA player development wouldn't fill Tinkerbell's undies. He knows the college game, but his pro predictions have been poor at best.

Zeller is going to get crushed so bad. In a way I'm happy to see it b/c with the limited weapons in Charlotte's offense they'll be able to key on him and he'll have to get tattoo removal of the basketball logo on his forehead.

[Doc]

Nice piece on Davis

[Darryl]

Wow, Noel and Davis together!!!

Darryl

[CitizenBBN]

So McLemore is best on the board. NOLA has Rivers at the 2 so is no need but also have Davis in the post. Do they take Noel in the anticipation of maybe moving Davis to the 4 spot??? or do they take McLemore??? Neither is a need

Either take Nerlens and move Davis to the 4 where he belongs or take McLemore and trade Rivers. Rivers was a wasted pick last year, but do they hang on a while or write it off?

[dan_bgblue]

I would rather see Noel blocking Rivers' whiney shots back in his face than having to play with the jerk

[Doc]

Noel to nola!!!

[blue2ksr]

Yeah!!!!!!!!

[Doc]

I like it. Move Davis to the 4.

[Doc]

Gives them tons of rebounding so the can clean up Austin's misses

[Doc]

Next pick is a no brainer. McClemore to the Kings.

[BigBlue92]

No one will score in the paint against NO. No one.

[MickintheHam]

Go Pelicans!!

[KMSBball]

Loved the UK jersey in his coat

[CitizenBBN]

Gives them tons of rebounding so the can clean up Austin's misses

They'd need to get Hakeem and Chamberlain to manage that Herculean feat. :)

[blue2ksr]

Block Party!!

Love it!!

[Doc]

Good fit IMO.

[blue2ksr]

Loved the UK jersey in his coat

That was great!!

[MickintheHam]

Two best players in the draft go 6 & 7.

[Doc]

They'd need to get Hakeem and Chamberlain to manage that Herculean feat. :)

and Rodman. Problem is Rodman had tatoos.

[blue2ksr]

Two best players in the draft go 6 & 7.

Go figure!!

[BarristerCat]

Either take Nerlens and move Davis to the 4 where he belongs or take McLemore and trade Rivers. Rivers was a wasted pick last year, but do they hang on a while or write it off?

Write it off if they have a better option. Rivers isn't good enough to be blocking a legit player and at the 10th pick it's not like they have so much money tied up in him that they need to keep trying if there's something better out there.

[Doc]

Detroit on the clock. Burke could be the pick but with Knight, I doubt it unless they move BK to the 2.

[CitizenBBN]

and Rodman. Problem is Rodman had tatoos.

True, but the dresses covered most of them. :)

I wonder if they don't trade Nerlens. We'll see.

[Darryl]

Noel traded to the 76'ers.

Darryl

[UKFlounder]

Near leans traded to Philly apparently

[ShoesSwayedBlue]

NOLA and Sacramento have to be pinching themselves at this point.

[ukpumacat]

Detroit on the clock. Burke could be the pick but with Knight, I doubt it unless they move BK to the 2.

I've heard that's the plan...moving Knight to the 2. We will see if they go PG.

[kingcat]

No wonder these teams pick first...they are terrible at all facets of NBA operations. Evidently they want to pick early next year too.

[blue2ksr]

Crap!!!!!!

NN to the Sixers?

[Carolinawildcats]

Noel to the Sixers.......I just puked :(

Peace

Richard (CW)

[CitizenBBN]

Write it off if they have a better option. Rivers isn't good enough to be blocking a legit player and at the 10th pick it's not like they have so much money tied up in him that they need to keep trying if there's something better out there.

No argument from me. Trade him, take the hit (if you have to take one) and move on. They're building a roster, you can afford to give some kids time to develop but you can't afford dead weight.

Sadly my cynical side says they keep Rivers (by picking him they proved their poor judgment) but I'd love to have him away from any of our bigs who have to rely on him to get them the ball.

I really wonder if Nerlens will stick there or if this is a trade pick. I hope it's legit and they trade rivers for a decent guard, we'll see.

[wes011]

I'd go McCollom before Burke.

[blue2ksr]

Stern is a pompous jackass

[Doc]

Detroit takes Caldwell-Pope. IMO steal of the draft so far

[ukpumacat]

Why would the Sixers want Noel when they have Bynum???

[blueboss]

how are going to take Pope over Burke??

[wes011]

Stern is a pompous jackass

This is just part of the night. The jabs from Stern to the crowd and vise versa. At least we don't have to watch Stephen A. Smith get heckled.

[blue2ksr]

Why would the Sixers want Noel when they have Bynum???

Bynum is hurt worse than NN.

[Doc]

I've heard that's the plan...moving Knight to the 2. We will see if they go PG.

Nope, took the SG. great pick IMO. Love to see him paired with BK

[CitizenBBN]

No wonder these teams pick first...they are terrible at all facets of NBA operations. Evidently they want to pick early next year too.

Agree 100%. The trick to getting a lottery pick is to have a bad team, yet we see some teams in there with far too much regularity. There's a reason.

If Charlotte wanted more impact then MKG was a bad pick last year b/c he's going to take time to develop offense, so now instead of giving him that time they look to trade him. By cutting the baby in half they just wasted that #2 pick. Now they go the opposite direction and get Zeller, who has all the moves but none of the athleticism or defense of MKG.

[UKFlounder]

Bynum is a free agent also

[ukpumacat]

According to Chad Ford, Sixers trade Jrue Holiday and a 2014 pick to NO for Noel. Great pick-up for the Pelicans. Sixers now have Hawes, Noel, Bynum, and Kwame Brown at Center with no PG. What the crap?

[Doc]

Why would the Sixers want Noel when they have Bynum???

you forgot the :sign0157: Bynum has ZERO heart and hasn't played in about a year. Noels biggest plus is his energy. Bynum is a cancer, Noel is the cure.

[ukpumacat]

If Philly didn't trade their 2013 pick, they will draft a PG almost for sure.

[blueboss]

Do the sixers have a coach yet

[Doc]

how are going to take Pope over Burke??

Burkes issue is his height.

[ukpumacat]

Sorry, I am just confused. Philly just traded their best player and their 1st round pick in the deepest draft in years next season for Noel. Weird.

[CitizenBBN]

According to Chad Ford, Sixers trade Jrue Holiday and a 2014 pick to NO for Noel. Great pick-up for the Pelicans. Sixers now have Hawes, Noel, Bynum, and Kwame Brown at Center with no PG. What the crap?

Not sure why they stockpile then don't use bigs but they've done it for many years IMO. They stuck Nazr at the end of the bench for all but the last year of his contract then trade him to the Hawks. He was on track to be cut by the Sixers and ended up a 15 year pro once he got away from them.

[ukpumacat]

I like Burke, I think he will surprise a lot of people.

[Doc]

Sorry, I am just confused. Philly just traded their best player and their 1st round pick in the deepest draft in years next season for Noel. Weird.

Is odd. Heck, the 10 player picked next year will likely be a better pick than any player in this years draft

[CitizenBBN]

Sorry, I am just confused. Philly just traded their best player and their 1st round pick in the deepest draft in years next season for Noel. Weird.

It's bizarre, but it gives me hope they have huge faith in Nerlens and will put in the resources given the price they paid for him. Still a dubious trade as it would seem they could have gotten him for less.

[Doc]

I like Burke, I think he will surprise a lot of people.

I had him slotted at 10 so I wasn't far off.

[Doc]

Next will be Carter Williams or Muhammad. I'll go with MCW to Portland

[CitizenBBN]

Do the sixers have a coach yet

Haven't had one since Dr. J was there that I can tell. ;)

[Doc]

Next will be Carter Williams or Muhammad. I'll go with MCW to Portland

Wrong--McCollum

[ukpumacat]

This is the strangest draft ever.

[ukpumacat]

I feel like everyone is picking to trade to someone else.

[CitizenBBN]

I feel like everyone is picking to trade to someone else.

Maybe the darts broke? :D

[Doc]

Sorry, I am just confused. Philly just traded their best player and their 1st round pick in the deepest draft in years next season for Noel. Weird.

Is it the 2014 or the 2013 pick? I suspect its the 2013 pick, the one coming up which is why the trade hasn't been announced

[Darrell KSR]

Best bet for when Archie will be chosen?

[ukpumacat]

Ok, I read that the trade may be the Pelicans sending the 2014 pick and Noel for Jrue Holiday. Makes waaaay more sense.

[Doc]

Another oddity, no foreigners picked yet

[GhettoBird]

Best bet for when Archie will be chosen?

I'm praying late first round.

[ukpumacat]

Is it the 2014 or the 2013 pick? I suspect its the 2013 pick, the one coming up which is why the trade hasn't been announced

2014. But read my post above. No trade can be announced anymore. League has to approve all first. They like to micro-manage.

[Doc]

who the hell is "jew-rell" Holiday?

[KMSBball]

This is the strangest draft ever.

Agreed. Very weird.

[Doc]

2014. But read my post above. No trade can be announced anymore. League has to approve all first. They like to micro-manage.

the announcers can't understand it either. Sounds like Holiday to NOLA and the Sixer get Noel AND THE PICK. Dumb move by NOLA if that is accurate. Way overpaid for Jrue

[ukpumacat]

Philly traded for Noel, knowing they could get Burke, McCollum, or Carter-Williams.

[ukpumacat]

the announcers can't understand it either. Sounds like Holiday to NOLA and the Sixer get Noel AND THE PICK. Dumb move by NOLA if that is accurate. Way overpaid for Jrue

Yeah, that is what I posted above. Its a good trade for Philly.

[Doc]

MCW goes number 11 to Philly, which according to Jay Bilas is a top 10 pick :533:

[ukpumacat]

Or the Cavs could have just drafted Noel and saved everyone all this trouble.

[Doc]

Yeah, that is what I posted above. Its a good trade for Philly.

and dumb for NOLA. Basically they picked up Holiday for 2 first rounders, including one in the 2014 draft?

[Doc]

Meanwhile Shabazz Muhammad..........................................

[Doc]

Steven Adams

[blue2ksr]

I'm thoroughly confused.

:(

[Doc]

aka Cody Zeller light!

[blueboss]

After the first three picks went the way they went it set up tradefest 2013

[ukpumacat]

I'm thoroughly confused.

:(

So is every GM in the lottery.

[blueboss]

So much for Ricky 15 and Gorgi going to OCT

[Philly Cat]

NERLENS TO PHILLY!!!!!!!! I just couldn't be happier. Not only do I think he'll be a foundation for the New Sixers (they're clearing blowing up the old group), but I think he'll be a real asset to the community.

And I like the fact that the Sixers got a 2014 draft pick out of it, too, because I don't think New Orleans is going to be anything special next year (so it will be a high pick). Time to bring Randle on board next year! : )

Truthfully, though, I hate giving up Jrue Holiday. I watched that guy closely for years, and I just love his game, the way he carries himself, and his shooting ability. The Sixers really had nothing last year except him. Now, they seem to be joining Tankapalooza 2014 (a Bill Simmons term, I think), as they try to stink their way into a top pick next year.

[Doc]

this is a real weak PF draft. Only one so far is Bennett. FL Young should have declared this year. He would be off the board by now

[Doc]

NERLENS TO PHILLY!!!!!!!! I just couldn't be happier. Not only do I think he'll be a foundation for the New Sixers (they're clearing blowing up the old group), but I think he'll be a real asset to the community.

And I like the fact that the Sixers got a 2014 draft pick out of it, too, because I don't think New Orleans is going to be anything special next year (so it will be a high pick). Time to bring Randle on board next year! : )

Truthfully, though, I hate giving up Jrue Holiday. I watched that guy closely for years, and I just love his game, the way he carries himself, and his shooting ability. The Sixers really had nothing last year except him. Now, they seem to be joining Tankapalooza 2014 (a Bill Simmons term, I think), as they try to stink their way into a top pick next year.

Both Philly and NO should be arrested. Philly for theft and NOLA for stupidity.

[Doc]

Dallas goes with yet another big white guy (LOL)

[Doc]

and moved to Bassston

[dan_bgblue]

this is a real weak PF draft. Only one so far is Bennett. FL Young should have declared this year. He would be off the board by now

Absolutely. Billy is thanking whatever caused him to come back and fall into the 2nd round in the 14 draft

[BarristerCat]

Read on Twitter that NO keeps its 2014 pick if it ends up being a top 3 pick. Not sure if that is true.

[Doc]

Giannis Adetokunbo

pronouced Yawnis,

[blueboss]

Yannis was sitting at 31

[Doc]

next pick, some Brazilian who won't ever play in the NBA

[Doc]

I should add that I'm a fan of "the Brazilian".

[blueboss]

Speaking of Brazilians, Krank's getting a Brazilian see "Girlfriend" thread

[Jeeepcat]

This draft is all about commodities not immediate help IMO

Glad I just walked in, my head would have exploded during the Nerlens drama

[dtalbersjr]

How do those protected picks work? If New Orleans traded the pick but it's "protected" if it's in the top 3, I assume there's alternative compensation?

[Philly Cat]

How do those protected picks work? If New Orleans traded the pick but it's "protected" if it's in the top 3, I assume there's alternative compensation?

As I understand it, a pick that gets yanked b/c it's "protected" just rolls over into the next Draft year.

[UKFlounder]

Probably move it to the following year


How do those protected picks work? If New Orleans traded the pick but it's "protected" if it's in the top 3, I assume there's alternative compensation?

[dtalbersjr]

Gotcha. Hornets making a huge gamble that they'll get into the top 3 then.

[anderwt]

Pelicans just stole the draft IMO...I love nerlons, but holiday is a very good PG, Gordon can move to SG...the sixers pick is protected 1-5, so your rolling the dive with that..for the sixers, with being so young, you take the chance, cause if you do get the top 5 pick next year, your guaranteed a stud..

The cavs are the idiots of the night...

[anderwt]

One more thing on the pelicans, they have a ton if cap room...

[KMSBball]

DS announces the 19th pick who is not in the building so he brings out Shabazz?? That was weird.

[ukpumacat]

Sorry, had to step out for a bit. Since Shabazz is being interviewed, just thought I would throw out that I think he is a great value where he got drafted.

[MickintheHam]

DS announces the 19th pick who is not in the building so he brings out Shabazz?? That was weird.

This whole draft is a comedy. Next year they need to get rid of the hats. And if the set designer is anyone other than Stern's brother in law, I'd be shocked. The set design looks like something from All in the Family. This draft pales in comparison to the NFL.

[StuBleedsBlue2]

Pelicans just stole the draft IMO...I love nerlons, but holiday is a very good PG, Gordon can move to SG...the sixers pick is protected 1-5, so your rolling the dive with that..for the sixers, with being so young, you take the chance, cause if you do get the top 5 pick next year, your guaranteed a stud..

The cavs are the idiots of the night...

I agree with this, only Eric Gordon already plays the 2. Grievas Vazquez was their PG. What does this mean for Austin Rivers now with 2 good PGs on the team?

I hope they ditch him.

[anderwt]

I agree with this, only Eric Gordon already plays the 2. Grievas Vazquez was their PG. What does this mean for Austin Rivers now with 2 good PGs on the team?

I hope they ditch him.

I think the issue was Gordon was having to play the pg at all...now you get Vasquez coming off the bench..they have some very young talent off the bench and could Iran could get the 6th pick or lower in a LOADED draft..

[Darrell KSR]

Pelicans just stole the draft IMO...I love nerlons, but holiday is a very good PG, Gordon can move to SG...the sixers pick is protected 1-5, so your rolling the dive with that..for the sixers, with being so young, you take the chance, cause if you do get the top 5 pick next year, your guaranteed a stud..

The cavs are the idiots of the night...

agree on pelicans. Nicely done in a down year.

[ukpumacat]

Archie!!!!

[blueboss]

Archie first round!! Liggins will straighten him out.

[Darrell KSR]

I am ecstatic. I feel so good for archie.

[TonyRay]

All four years with multiple first rounders!

[Darrell KSR]

2307

[Darrell KSR]

All four years with multiple first rounders!

RT @UKCoachCalipari: What a great thing and a great pick to Phoenix at 29. That’s now 13 first-rounders in four years and 17 picks overall.

[Krank]

I am ecstatic. I feel so good for archie.

Agreed.

I know Archie got knocked a lot last year, both within and outside of the BBN, but I always loved him, even though he could drive me crazy like so many others.

Kid will get a shot doctor, he has crazy great athleticism, has just enough size to play the 2 in the league, great vertical, very very underrated as a defender, and of course, is super high energy. I will not say he will be a great or even very good player, but I believe in Archie down the road.

He just needs to get that adrenaline he seems to have three times more than any player in the draft and get it toned down so his offense can be honed down, but he will defend IMMEDIATELY in the league IMO.

Kid is VERY young, so it was easy to say "Archie was crazy for leaving UK". Well, I am not going to conflict with Coach Calipari or the vast majority on this board, but the question for a while was... "should Archie go this year so he can get in the first round in a very weak draft or enter the draft after two college years and maybe get drafted lower due to the depth of the draft.

I think it is hard to say for sure, but it looks like he made the right move, especially given how many kids stayed who could have gone high this year, meaning 2014 was already deep enough, but with guys like Smart, Austin, etal almost certainly going pro next year, ya gotta wonder if, financially, Archie was smart to get to being paid NOW rather than later.

Time will tell.

[ShoesSwayedBlue]

Absolutely undeniable proof that the Kentucky Effect is real. Archie IMO has no business being a first rounder or possibly even on an NBA roster and won't for another few years. But I bet Vaughn, Booker, Johnson, etc. don't care.

[Krank]

Absolutely undeniable proof that the Kentucky Effect is real. Archie IMO has no business being a first rounder or possibly even on an NBA roster and won't for another few years. But I bet Vaughn, Booker, Johnson, etc. don't care.

Shoes, I predict he will pleasantly surprise you.

His decision was very difficult IMO. Not ready this year to be as high of a pick as he could have been had he been on a team that wasn't so dysfunctional, but perhaps lost in the shuffle in the deepest draft, maybe in history, next year.

In an average year (this is where I strongly disagree with you), he goes almost lottery if he stays two years at UK. I like his game a lot if he gets guidance to help him mature (both emotionally a little in terms of his game AND physically in terms of team play, etc.).

Archie, based on potential, may be the most underrated future defender and athlete in this draft. It's a bit of a crap shoot, but I betcha a shot doctor smooths him out to be good enough, say, in two or three years. Meanwhile, watch him develop to be a solid defender by his second year. JMO.

[blueboss]

Detroit just picked a dud, Siva won't see the court for the Pistons or maybe anybody for that matter. Detroit currently has about eight different guard options on their roster.

[kingcat]

I'll be curious to see` who can stop him one on one in the NBA. His game is tailor made for the NBA with his jump shot being the only question mark.

His decision making won't be as big an issue as it was in college since he only has to think for himself and not be torn as to what role he is to play each time down the court. I think he will quickly excel as an NBA role player and in three or four years be a solid NBA player.

Should he develop a jumper, and I have serious doubts he will...the sky is then the limit.